Thread: No need for Tribulus

So you want to increase your testosterone levels you want to increase lean muscle mass and Nitrogen retension. So why are you taking Tribulus ?
Is it the because the guy at GNC told you about it ? Was it your mate who swears by it who also weighs 80kg and 6 ft tall ?

The real question is why are you taking it at all ?
The market of Testosterone Boosters is swamped.

However the market for Testosterone boosters that work is very limited.
First things first throw out your tribulus it dosent work, and if you think it does it's in your head.
Look at the compounds out on the market now.
Look at some of the brands but what you also should look at is this propiatery blend.

What that means is companies don't have to give you the exact mg of each compound. Take Novadex XT it contains an excellent test boosting compound but how many mgs of this is actually in the supp? Really your guess is as good as mine.

But now we are a little of track so back to the market of tribulus. Yes send your money to my address as I need it more then the supp company and you will get the sane results.

Instead of buying trib look at other products that contain methoxy isoflavone or androstenetrione these compounds are the future of Testosterone Supplements. But the big thing here is they deliever.

I challenge anyone here to get there bloods done on trubulus and show me an increase in Testosterone levels that warrants the $100 you just spent.

But get your bloods done on Androstenetrione or methoxy and watch those Testosterone numbers go through the roof.

There is always a better product out there you just have to be open to try it.

Pro h

Nice hype - shame the studies don't back up your claims - Effects of Methoxyisoflavone, Ecdysterone, and Sulfo-Polysaccharide Supplementation on Training Adaptations in Resistance-Trained Males

For those that cant be bothered to read the full study, here's the good bit.

"Based on the results of this study, we conclude that supplementation of methoxyisoflavone, ecdysterone, and/or sulfo-polysaccharides (CSP3) do not have any affect on training adaptations and/or anabolic/catabolic status in resistance-trained subjects. These findings contrast marketed claims that these nutrients promote muscle accretion, increase anabolic status, decrease adipose tissue, and/or enhance training adaptations in resistance-trained athletes. These data are representative of a specific training protocol as well as specific prescribed doses of the experimental supplements, but the doses used represent the recommended amount found in these types of supplements."

CM

Oh gee. I facepalmed

Androstenetrione Effectiveness, Safety, and Drug Interactions on RxList

Originally Posted by Pro H

Androstenetrione Effectiveness, Safety, and Drug Interactions on RxList

From that link:
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How does Androstenetrione work?
Androstenetrione might make the body produce more testosterone and less estrogen.

Are there safety concerns?
Androstenetrione might increase testosterone in the body. Too much testosterone can cause serious side effects including liver problems, heart problems, and cancer. Avoid using androstenetrione.

Do not use androstenetrione if:
You are pregnant or breast-feeding.
You have liver disease.
You have prostate cancer.
Dosing considerations for Androstenetrione
The appropriate dose of androstenetrione depends on several factors such as the user's age, health, and several other conditions. At this time there is not enough scientific information to determine an appropriate range of doses for androstenetrione. Keep in mind that natural products are not always necessarily safe and dosages can be important. Be sure to follow relevant directions on product labels and consult your pharmacist or physician or other healthcare professional before using.

we could post stuies all day. For every study that finds Tribulus worthless there s another out there that promotes it as the holy grail. Same can be sid about Androstenetrion and Methoxy.

But i will say this Androstenetrione is a banned substance by ALL sporting Bodies at all levels Olympic to representative teams.

And you want to know why? Cause it works. And it is a Pro Hormone

I love it - even your own post has no proof:

"Insufficient Evidence to Rate Effectiveness for...
Improving athletic performance and other conditions."

You asked in a previous thread why you were not getting any hits or responses to your sponsored thread - maybe it's because of posting rubbish like this.

T

Here isa actual study

Enjoy

Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full text | Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resis

I have posted 2 studies.
1 that finds more then enough evidence that Androstenetrione is a Potent Pro Hormone
And another that suggests it may have these abilities, it doesnt dismis it at all.

Again i will repeat myself between tribulus and Androstenetrione which one is banned ?

And which one works ?

Androstenetrione

Also Methoxy is another supplement getting some heat in the Athletic scene at the moment due to its mass gains.

The first study for those who didnt read it throughly explains that 6oxo does what it suppose to do -- raise test levels via inhibiting aromatase.

The study, however, did not find the increase in test serum levels to be beneficial to the participants. From the outset, the study wanted to find out if 6oxo could do what anabolic steroids are believed to do -- "increase muscle size and strength." The study concluded, as I understood it, that even though all of the men experienced significant increases in test levels, they had no significant changes in body composition.

However it increased Test Serum Levels.

Enjoyable reading - you still have ZERO evidence that methoxy does anything at all - therefore you are still peddling sh1t

Originally Posted by Pro H

Here isa actual study

Enjoy

Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full text | Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resis

Yes, seen this study.

Interesting where the research grant came from.....

Yes, it appears to improve test numbers, especially DHT, which may not be a good thing, but also increases estrogen, not a good thing, and appears to do nothing to SHBG, also not a good thing.

The second study found massive increase to Testosterone levels and inhibit estrogen.

My point is no matter what studies you find on Androstenetrione they dont dismis the compound they dont say it will not work.


Methoxy on the other hand there are both positive studies and not so ositive studies. But if i had the choice to purchase Methoxy or a trib product i know which one would spend my cash on.

And remember i sell Both trib and methoxy products.

UHF

So, you sell two products that have no evidence of their claims - congratulations! I choose not to spend my cash on either of these products, because they don't work and only a mug would believe your ridiculous claims. And based on your uninformed marketing of these products, I would certainly never buy anything from your company.

CMinOZ where you born with the inability to read or is it a gift not to retain knowledge ?

All im trying to get across is and i will put it in point form just for you CMin OZ

* There are more Test Products out there then just Trib

* There are more Potent Test products out there then trib

* Research all your products and take the good reviews and studies with the bad and make your own mind up (if you have one)

* And if you dont fully understand a study or review dont be afraid to ask for help (cminoz)

UHF