Thread: opinions on incline press/flyes

anyone a firm believer of incline work???
press or flyes...

50% of people say there useless 50% believe.

Im a firm believer of incline work.

Each exercise can be modified in different angles, stimulating more of the targeted muscle.

Without incline work my upper chest wouldnt be showing :S

Yes, since I've included incline bench, both dumbbell and barbell, to my routine I am finally starting to see a chest :)

Incline all the way!!!

I would go as far to say Incline bench in more important than flat.

~B

FWIW incline press FTW :)

Originally Posted by Tranquilo

FWIW incline press FTW :)

I normally do it with a BB, but started using DB and that is FTW X 2

Originally Posted by take2

Yes, since I've included incline bench, both dumbbell and barbell, to my routine I am finally starting to see a chest :)

That's how I feel as well.

Flys are pretty useless. Press is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Bricktop

Flys are pretty useless. Press is the way to go.

Why?

Whilst I agree on the value of pressing, flys certainly work for me.

Originally Posted by take2

Why?

Whilst I agree on the value of pressing, flys certainly work for me.

Fine in what way? work in what way?

Isolation excesses do not provide the load necessary to promote growth or strength, in comparison to presses. Good stretch though, so they might be useful if you subscribe to fascial stretching. Which i don't.

Further: Isolation exercises for big joints muscle groups (e.g. chest) are at best a benign, and at worst promote dangerous stretch angles that compromise the integrity of the joint, increasing risks of shoulder impingement or rotator cuff strain.

But personally i have never found them to be of any use, even to add when i "want something different" Why add something to your routine that is not effective? especially when you have many varieties of excellent pressing movements.

Originally Posted by Bricktop

Fine in what way? work in what way?

Isolation excesses do not provide the load necessary to promote growth or strength. Good stretch though, so they might be useful if you subscribe to fascial stretching. Which i don't.

Further: Isolation exercises for big joints muscle groups (e.g. chest) are at best a benign, and at worst promote dangerous stretch angles that compromise the integrity of the joint, increasing risks of shoulder impingement or rotator cuff strain.

But personally i have never found them to be of any use, even to add when i "want something different" Why add something to your routine that is not effective? especially when you have many varieties of excellent pressing movements.

Ok, thanks. Not sure that I agree with your summary.

For me? Adding flys has certainly helped in developing my chest.

i'm with bricktop, db flies are ordinary at best i think...there's only tension in the bottom 3rd range of motion which is fine but everyone comens up and "squeezes the chest" except that the wt is being held by the delts at that stage more than anything...so then if ytou stay in the bottom 3rd range of motion to keep the tension on, your leverage is shit so the wt you'll use is no good...if you HAVE to do a fly, make it a cable fly...even better do sliding push ups or gymnastic ring push ups

...so yeah, don't bother with incline flys. They don't contribute to building the chest muscles.
Another to add to the list.
Cheers.

Swan, if you feel the load uptop is held with your delts, you are doing them wrong.
You're far away from proper fly form if you stand by this quote "everyone comens up and "squeezes the chest" except that the wt is being held by the delts at that stage more than anything" I feel nothing but chest contraction up the top holding the dumbells up.
Throughout the whole of my movement, its evident the chest is taking the load on the eccentric and pulling the weight up on the conccentric as the main muscle doing the work BOTH ways and for the entire movement.
No if's or but's about it.
Fascia stretching only, my arse mate, sorry Brick. I seriously thought this was a wind up.

I have absolutely NO DOUBT that either form/speed of the exercise or incorrect selection of dumbell weight OR both, is the issue.
If you are not feeling the pectorals expanding like a rubberband taking the full load on the decend (the easy part to feel of the 2 directions of the movement) and then not feeling from the bottom all the way to the top, the pectorals pulling that weight back up and slowly contracting WITHOUT shoulder fatigue or any other pain elsewhere, i have NO-DOUBT-WHAT-SO-EVER it is form/speed and chosen weight ratio.
As an example, a proper 12-15 repper for me are a pair of 12.5kg dumbells and an 8 repper are a pair of 22.5's (yesterdays workout).

FLIES ARE DEFINITELY NOT AN EXERCISE FOR YOU TO TRY AND GO FOR A PERSONAL BEST LIFT ON! The positioning of the exercise in not one you want to get involved with chasing numbers.

Que one of the most stupidest arguments to take place on a forum on how a dumbell fly does nothing/"useless" for muscle growth but a dumbell press does...

JG and I already had this debate with a member named CS a few years ago.....
It seems its the same topics over and over again on these forums ...just with a diff set of players each time.

i cannot remember the last time i did fly's... its been years, literally.