Thread: powernutrients wpi flavoured protein

hey guys,
when it comes to protein,for some reason im always the one receiving samples from our wonderful sponsors and im always delighted to leave reveiws towards all our sponsors, i guess julian is right,i am the protein freak.

now with protein,ive always been a big fan of protein direct, bioflex and musclegauge nutrition,protein direct been my main source.

gary from powernutrients was kind enough to offer me some of his samples as i was kind of skeptical in regards to his protein,especially the fact that its sweetened with stevia.

i was sent out wpi with the following flavours,banana,choc,vanilla,coffee and strawberry.

my honest opinion,they all taste fantastic,choc and coffee been my favourite out of the lot,but even the banana really tickled my fancy,

they mixed perfectly fine,but i learnt a lesson not to put too much water,they become too watery,something like 100-150ml per 40g makes a perfect flavoured mix.

the samples were also sampled by my misses who is a skeptical typical woman when it comes to protein,remarkably,she liked them all,and she doesnt even like banana normally,

the choc reminds me of bioflex isoflex,the coffee,choc and strawberry were very similar to protein direct,

all in all,i think we have another winner in the protein industry,up there with our other favourites and i see gary going a long way.

That's flavour covered
How's the amino acid profile, Mino?
Protien per 100g etc..

I usually buy a milkshake from maccas for taste and drink protien shakes for repair / "muscle medication".

Supportive sponsor to us here, btw, but questions like this is what matters most to me in reviews for me to make a change from my usual.
Cheers mate.

Amino profile is on Whey Protein Concentrate (WPC) , looks higher than some others (no names mentioned, they're all great sponsors) and the price looks decent too.

Will definately have to give it a try, thanks mino.

Will you be doing WPC in 5KG btw?

Hi Damo,
We will have 5kg WPC over the next few days, it is available, we just need to put it onto the website.

Originally Posted by MO

That's flavour covered
How's the amino acid profile, Mino?
Protien per 100g etc..

I usually buy a milkshake from maccas for taste and drink protien shakes for repair / "muscle medication".

Supportive sponsor to us here, btw, but questions like this is what matters most to me in reviews for me to make a change from my usual.
Cheers mate.

yeah your right mo,i forgot to mention all this,

its EXACTLY the same profile as bulknutrients.im sure there all using the fonterra brand.so no difference really except on the sponsor name.

here compare them for yourself:

Whey Protein Isolate

Bulk Nutrients

my support is towards our sponsors in regards to protein as there all pretty down par to the protein they make,

That's a good WPI mix there going off the labels from the site. Above 90g / 100g for all WPI flavours. Big tick in my book.

PN, but something that is probably pretty obvious that I may be missing...

Protein value of chocolate is @ 91.1g per 100g compared to other flavours that are @ 90.1g per 100g but the choc requires 'more room' for flavouring @ 30g / kg than the others, 7g / kg.
A higher protein content than an unflavoured? Wouldn't it be the choc that has the lowest protein value?
Again, there's probably some form of explaination that has to do with stevia that I don't fully understand yet here.

Secondly, if the amount of protein is 90.1g per 100g then this would mean that amino acids total 90,100mg per 100g.
The amino profile on your site though, amounts to 111,100mg or '111.1g of protein per 100g' ?

Appreciated.

Hey MO,

Sorry to jump in, and i no doubt Powernutrients will correct me if i'm wrong.

But i was reading on another thread where this same question was asked, it is because in the chocolate they use real cocoa bean which has protein itself, therefore raising the protein level slightly.

Great tasting protein


Cheers

Zam

Hey Zam, I realise this, but it was more of a question I wanted verified that was to lead on to another question - to what amino acids does the Cocoa Bean protein account for? The same as whey? If not, the amino acid structure is changed for atleast the chocolate flavour.
I'll add though, that it is such little flavouring, yes, and to 99% of people won't matter, but the amino acids will change. Lowered in some aminos and higher in others. Less of the BCAA's? Is Cocoa Bean rich in those? No biggy, but i'm one of those 1%

Curious as to my second question on total aminos exceeding 100g.
Which one's are over and under..

It's a quality product without a doubt, but i'm a specific type when it comes to supplements and knowing the exact ratios i'm getting in.

Hi MO,
I did have a similar comment regarding the amino acid content last week, it seems the amino acid list doesnt quite add up.
These details came direct from fonterra, so i am awaiting their reply, and then i can make the necissary changes to that.

That's all good PN, I hope you don't see this as a personal attack on you as I would like to add that I have seen this mistake on the other companies websites also using Fonterra. You are only publishing what you are given from your supplier - but then this raises an eyebrow for me..

I get this sneaking suspision that they will just re-calculate their amino profile to suite 90 grams of total amino acids rather than re-testing the product. If it was a typo on their behalf (a mistake of an additional 20+ grams of amino acids?) then i'm sure a Certificate of Analysis wouldn't be hard to dig up to show the original test done verifying it was just a typo.

My flavour of choice most of the time is chocolate and seeing as this would play with the amino acid profile, potentially (possibly / maybe) lowering BCAA's especially, this is really important for me and i'm sure others. Of course I understand when you take enough of a serving, the end result wouldn't matter THAT much, but as a buyer, I want to know EXACTLY what the product has no matter how little the differance. It looks like 30g of Cocoa Bean has 1 gram (?) of protein which would equal 1,000mg of amino acids, but which ones? Is the flavouring replacing some 'space' of the whey or just simply adding on top of 90 grams of pure whey?

I'm particularly excited about Choc/Coconut and Choc/Mint as a change to my usual flavours but I think I will wait for the appropriate values to be added first.

As little of a deal this is compared to 'proprietary blends' and dextrose making up the majority of a product, I am willing to do what it takes to make members of ATLEAST SizeMatters, know WHAT exactly to look for when buying a product.

Appreciate the honesty greatly, PN and please keep us all updated on this.
Cheers.

Originally Posted by MO

Hey Zam, I realise this, but it was more of a question I wanted verified that was to lead on to another question - to what amino acids does the Cocoa Bean protein account for? The same as whey? If not, the amino acid structure is changed for atleast the chocolate flavour.
I'll add though, that it is such little flavouring, yes, and to 99% of people won't matter, but the amino acids will change. Lowered in some aminos and higher in others. Less of the BCAA's? Is Cocoa Bean rich in those? No biggy, but i'm one of those 1%

Curious as to my second question on total aminos exceeding 100g.
Which one's are over and under..

It's a quality product without a doubt, but i'm a specific type when it comes to supplements and knowing the exact ratios i'm getting in.

Ah this makes more sense, i thought the question you asked must have more to it, and i guess your right in saying that 99% of people wouldn't look into this that far.

Thats one thing great about this forum is all this "Additional" information you get and the new things you learn from looking into things a little deeper than just scratching the surface and accepting the information on face value.

gary, very interested to see how the flavoured proteins can actually contain more protein than the raw versions!
Mate, I think you have done a few miscalculations when it comes to the Protein ratios here. Feel free to Pm me if you like as while I'm sure no one will mind too much it is false advertising which never looks good.

Even if the flavours do contain proteins, they don't contain nearly as much protein as the protein itself (they are lucky to be 30% protein) so the protein ratios always fall when flavouring is added.

I am guessing that a multiplication wasn't done when the flavourer was added.

Ie, if The Chocolate Protein has 96% protein and 4% flavourer, the raw protein needs to be multiplied by .96. In the case of the Fonterra WPC that would be .96(the amount of protein added) x 81.3(the raw protein ratio = 78.04 then whatever the flavouring adds (which would be lucky to be more than half a gram) = the final protein ratio.

Vanilla which flavouring only needs to be around 1% if a good flavouring is used can get closer to the pure proteins ratios but it will always be down, as there is less protein added to the final product. The only way for a flavoured product to contain more protein than a raw protein would be if the flavourer was higher in protein than the actual protein.

If that was the case, we'd all just be selling Choc, Vanilla and Strawberry flavouring and wouldn't bother selling whey....

I second what Bioflex said. It is impossible for flavoured whey proteins to contain more protein than unflavoured. If there is a mistake in calculations that is fair enough and it needs to be corrected. But, unflavoured whey protein will always contain more protein than the flavoured ones, regardless whether it is chocolate, vanilla or other flavours.

Thanks guys, i have had the nutritional charts looked at and corrected:)

Gary recently sent me some samples of protein and so far I've tried the banana and choc-coconut.

I can't remember what the banana was labelled as but the choc-coconut said 'muscle pump'. I've also got several labelled 'wpi'. The reason I bring it up is because the banana had a strong bitter aftertaste and the choc-coconut had a clean aftertaste. Just wondering if the reason is because they have different flavourings? One other difference is that the banana was a lot sweeter but the choc-coconut had the perfect level of sweetness for my taste so I wonder if the banana simply contains more sweetener?

Besides the bitterness I really liked the banana flavour but it's too sweet for my personal taste. The banana flavour itself is spot on though. It doesn't taste artificial like some. If it wasn't so sweet and bitter, I'd rate it the best I've tried.

The choc-coconut is very good. It tastes like a golden rough and is better than similar flavours I've tried from a couple of big companies.

I mixed both samples with around 200ml lite milk and 50ml water and they mixed easily. Will report back after trying the coffee, choc-orange etc.