Thread: Double T-Sports NO-Beta experience by mikasadan

Hi SM'ers,

Altered this post to allow me to expand the range of coverage. Here is the link to my MAX OT type training log I begun when i first joined SM:
http://www.sizematters.com.au/member...tml?highlight=
Below you can find the deatils of my current diet and training approach.

one of my goals is to compete at the ANB competition in VIC in October this year. I am a complete novice and am using all the info i can get to get there!

I was following the Metabolic diet for a while:
Metabolic Diet log
With some great results, I fell off that wagon slightly while trying to get my PT business off the ground "TRAMON Training" TRAMON Training | Facebook

I am considering using that approach once again getting closer to the comp, basically From March this year i have been training hard with only 4 days off so far, my PT business is slow but i work full time in the Fashion industry and also for a Personal training company after and before hours.

so here is my experience..

Setting up this log to track my experience and results using Double T-Sports NO-Beta pre workout Buy Double T-Sports NO-Beta - 180 Tablets by Double T-Sports from Supplements Direct thanks to Supplements Direct: Australia's Cheapest Online Supplements Store - $10 Australia Wide Flat Rate Delivery via Express Post! Free Shaker With Every Order!

I am currently training 6 days a week Heavy.

Program consists of various training techniques cycling weekly and using small bursts of HIIT and MMA training as my cardio base both postworkout and on seprate ocassions.

Consuming 2100 - 2500 cals reducing bodyfat.

Will be reveiwing this supp with the following in mind:

Users of NO-Beta™ report the following benefits:

• Extended pumps with increases in vascularity, muscle tone, and hardness
• Explosive power while accelerating recovery, repair and endurance
• Increased Carnosine concentrations buffering H+
• Maximum elevations in Nitric Oxide (NO) levels
• Rapid increases in strength and muscle fullnes

Will report to the best of my ability on points 1,2 & 5

Other supplements I am using:
Creatine pre & pwo (7.5-10g)
Glutamine pre & pwo (40g)
BCAA complex pre & pwo (10-15g)

**
Multi (swisse)
kelp tablets (x6)
choline/inisotol (250 x 2)
L-Carnatine 2000mg (x3)

Most workouts will be fisrt thing in the morning (60-75mins) with NO Beta on an emty stomach..

I will try to follow a similar nutritional regime each day for the duration of use. (will post diet in first post)

Doasge: Directions For Double-T Sports NO Beta: 60 days

On an empty stomach, start with 3 tablets in the morning and 3 tablets prior to training. It is critical that you take it on an empty stomach for maximum effect. Tolerance capacity should be established prior to increasing dose. A starting dose of 5 or 6 tablets may be too powerful for some users. Increase water consumption to a minimum of 8 to 10 glasses per day


MD

Day 1/30

Here is my current eating plan, this will continue throughout the first 2 week duration of this log. I will be making adjustments to enhance further fat loss from March 8th.

Nutrition/Supps.

Basic WEIGHT TRAINING DAY 5-6 days. (am)

4:30 - 5:00am - Fat burning combo* and 180g watermelon, NO Beta here (6)
5:30 - Weight Train 60-75mins - Pre/Pwo shake w/test boost & muscle recov blend*
7:30 - 8:00am 6 eggs (2 wholes) and 100g s/potatoe
9:30 - 4 slices Roast beef w 1/2 tin of red kidney beans replace with 100g sweeet potatoe
11:00 - wpi 30g w/1 apple
12:30 - 1:00pm - 200g Chicken breast w/ greek salad and 100g s/potatoe
2:30 - wpi 30g w/1 apple
4:00 - 185g tuna drained w/ 1/2 can red kidney beansreplace with 100g sweeet potatoe
5:00 - **Weight Train 60-75mins** - Pwo shake muscle recov blend*NO Beta here (6)
7:00 - 8:00pm - 200g Chicken w/200g brocoli
10:00 100g greek yoghurt w/250g strawberries - cut out yoghurt March 4th
nigtime blend: zma/test boost blend*

**Afternoon weight sessions will include HIIT routines, LSD cardio and kickboxing/mma drills & classes and sometimes alternate with mornings.

I estimate the above to be between 2100-2500 cals, for me currently at 96kgs, is slowly decreasing bodyfat levels while maintaing good energy to develop muscle and recover.

Training:

6:00am Interval cardio - use bike & treadmill alternating for 15 min bursts of 3 mins on 1 min recov for 90 mins. followed by 10 mins stretching
5:00pm Weight Training Back

Type - Giant sets (4 sets pyramid ^ weights, no rest b/w excercises)

1arm rows 15,12,10,8,6

BO BB row 15,12,10,8,6

wide grip pd 15,12,10,8,6

seated row 15,12,10,8,6

rev grip pd 15,12,10,8,6

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:00pm) 60mins after 4:00pm - 185g tuna drained w/ 1/2 can red kidney beans, fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine.

Mental:
Was hyped about using a new pre booster, have been using onlt green tea and ECA previously. Focus was elevated.
Strength:
Really strong throughout workout, minimal rests had me working hard, did not tire or fatigue at all, infact strength and muscle focus imporoved as the sets got heavier, stayed strong all the way through and was working at 85 90% max on the lasts sets, with no struggle.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' was really breathing hard for last part of workout, not out of breath just felt like i was really working the cardio and definatley an increase in sweat, way more than usual. was litterally dripping wet by the end of 60 mins. went on to easliy smash 30 mins of interval cycling, which i would usually struggle with after such a big workout, but breezed through and left feeling very satisfied with my efforts
Mirror:
As bodyfat is not ultimaley low at the moment, i was not expecting to become too vascualr as a result, worked out in a hoody so this result will be more detailed in later workouts.
Misc:
Not really sure how to best report my results & feelings straight off the bat, once i lay down a few sesiions i will; be able to make some better comparisons etc
rate:
7/10 was hoping for more impact
mood:
satisfied/ accomplished/pleased
Food:
as above - less yogurt at 10pm
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 7pm meal which settled well.


MD

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Deadlifts/ Calve Raises

Type - Pryramid sets (6 sets pyramid ^ weights,)

6:00am Warm up cardio - use bike followed by 10 mins stretching
6:20am Weight Training - erector spinae, glutes, adductor magnus, hamstrings, quadriceps, and the soleus
Deadlifts from floor
50*6, 100*6, 125*6, 150*6(x3)
super set with
Seated Calf
200*30,300*20,400*15 (x6sets)

7:00am Interval cardio - use bike for bursts of 3 mins on 1 min recov for 30 mins. followed by 10 mins stretching

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (6:00am) 30mins after fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

Mental:
Focused on going heavy today, looking to work fast and hard.
Strength:
Less strength than avo workout, slow to get in and really feel warm, did not tire or fatigue at all, although strength and muscle focus lapsed as I progressed through sets, I was working at about 70 - 75% max on the lasts sets, with a slight pinch in lower back and a bit of a struggle.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good, I hate the uneasy feeling i have experienced in the past with other powdered NO supps, definatley an increase in sweat, way more than usual. Once again went on to easliy smash 30 mins of interval cycling, which i would usually struggle with after deadlifts, usually Ill hit the floor for some hip flexor stretches and end up laying there for ages :) left feeling a little unsatisfied with my efforts
Mirror:
As bodyfat is not ultimaley low at the moment, i was not expecting to become too vascualr as a result, worked out in a hoody so this result will be more detailed in later workouts. this remains.
Misc:
Total different experience from yesterdays workout, albeit a totally different approach.
rate:
5/10 was hoping for more impact, again some emphasis would be placed on 'no wholefood' on board and no carbs
mood:
dissapointed in effort and strength
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8am meal which settled well.

MD

N.B any tips for this log are welcome any particulars that you would like me include etc

Day3/30

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Chest/Calves

Type - Giant sets

5:00am Warm up cardio - use bike followed by 10 mins stretching
5:30am Weight Training - chest, gastroc and soleus

4 giant sets \/ reps 15,12,10,6.6

bench 90kgs
incline 60kgs
decline 80kgs
dips bw (knees up chin in)
flat fly 20kgs
incline fly 20kgs

standing calves up for 6 sec hold/ down for 10 sec hold 6*300lbs
superset with (4 sets)
seated calves up for 6 sec hold/ doen for 10 sec hold 6*45kgs

6:30am Interval cardio - use bike for bursts of 3 mins onto rower for 3 mins then 120 steps with 10kgs (3 times through)

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:30am) 30mins after fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

NOW WE ARE TALKING!! Definatley a noticable 'enhanced' effect today. Great pump and hardness in target muscles that remained pwo and recovered well.

Mental:
Focused on going heavy today with PT, looking to work fast and hard. succeded!
Strength:
Great strength and power, went at each set with vigour and great force. Set up the body and core and was easily pumping out the reqd reps. I was definatley working at about 95% max on the lasts sets, which was taken to failure at 3-4 reps.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good,no noticable increase in sweat this morning at all as opposed to first 2 days i was drenched. Once again went on to easliy smash 30 mins of interval HIIT, although steps were coming slowly towards the end, strength remained, very happy with my efforts
Mirror:
PUMPED UP!, from the second round, definatley a noticable pump in the pecs, not so hard that i couldnt rep it out but a great 'hard' feeling and look, which inspired me to conerntrate on squeezing in concetric stages and really visualising the muscle pumping up.
Misc:
Looking forward to next workout for sure.
rate:
9/10 great impact, made a big influence on my mental approach and training capacity.no wholefood on board and no carbs
mood:
pleased with effort and strength
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8am meal which settled well.

MD

Dang, you got me nervous about doing my log. You've set the bar too high! Nice work.

Hey Raj,

Thanks, looking forward to comparing results and your thoughts mate!!

MD

Great log mate. You finding it a good supp so far?

Hey J,

3 days in so far so good, havnt really used any NO products for a month or two, and with this one bieng stim free its actually turning out an awsome addition to my training and not effecting the rest of my day.

Perhaps we can all post a redo on the original bicep workout after the PRO SHOW!!

MD

Originally Posted by mikasadan

Hey J,

3 days in so far so good, havnt really used any NO products for a month or two, and with this one bieng stim free its actually turning out an awsome addition to my training and not effecting the rest of my day.

Perhaps we can all post a redo on the original bicep workout after the PRO SHOW!!

MD

For sure, i think i'm going to do it every bicep workout. See if i can up weight throughout the log

Day 4/30

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Arms

Type - Negatives superset with 21's

5:30am Weight Training - biceps/triceps

4 super sets of 4 worksets, staring with 6-8 reps of 6 second negatives in concentric stage then sset with 21's of a related excersise

Lying extension, straight bar 30kgs 4 sets of negatives
sset with
^ pushdowns with 70lbs for 4 sets of 21's

Preacher curl, with straight bar 35kgs (Negs)
Standing BB curl 30kgs (21's)

Close grip bench with 45kg (Negs)
Rope OH ext with 40 (21's)

Alt DB curl with 25's (Negs)
seated curls outwards with 12.5s (21"s)

6:30am LSD cardio - cycle to work approx 14kms

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:30am) 30mins after fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

NOW WE ARE TALKING!!X2! Definatley once again a very noticable 'enhanced' effect today. Great pump and hardness in target muscles that remained pwo and recovered well. Very vascular effect in bi's and forearms, no pain, and great recovery.

Mental:
Focused on going heavy today with PT, looking to work hard, and maintain during negatives, succeded!
Strength:
Great strength and resistance with control and power. I was definatley working at about 95% max on the lasts sets, which was taken to failure or just short of.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good,no noticable increase in sweat this morning at all as opposed to first 2 days i was drenched.
Mirror:
PUMPED UP! and Vieny, I expected this with arms but unlike the original NO BETA workout I was in much better form, and although had to slightly extend my rest b/w last two sets smashed it out. really was focusing on the muscle (not the pain) in concetric stages and really visualising the muscle pumping back up.
Misc:
Looking forward to next workout for sure. Tomorrow will be later in the day so I will be taking a second (6) dosage prior to workout.
rate:
9/10 great impact, made a big influence on my mental approach and training capacity.no wholefood on board and no carbs
mood:
very pleased with effort and strength, i actually got the heart rate up with an arm workout!
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8am meal which settled well.

MD

Day 5/30 Saturday

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Shoulders/MMA

6:00am 6 NOBeta
7:00am PT a boxing class
9:30am PT with client
12:00pm 8 NO beta

12:30pm Weight Training - delts

Type - Negatives superset with 21's

mil press 70,70,70 *6 negatives
db press 25,25,25 21's

BO laterals on bench 12.5,12.5,12.5 21's
rev flys on bll 70,70,70 *10 negatives

upright row 75,75,75 21's

lat raise 12.5,12.5,12.5 21's

cabel lat raise 50,40,30 *6 negatives


1:30 kicboxing (HIIT)
2:30 taekwondo (tech)

4 super sets of 4 worksets, staring with 6-8 reps of 6 second negatives in concentric stage then sset with 21's of a related excersise


NO BETA feedback:

8 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym with fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine

Mental:
feeling great, work rate has been high today already and soon after i had the 2nd dose i felt the pump building, I am really trying to bring up my rear delts so I was really focused on squeezing and filling the muscle with blood throughout the workout
Strength:
Great strength and resistance with control and power. the 21's were tough and I was able to just motor throuigh them with no problems
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good,no noticable increase in sweat
Mirror:
I . really was focusing on the muscle (not the pain) in concetric stages and really visualising the muscle pumping back up during the 21's, looked pumped and good.
rate:
7/10 great impact, made a big influence on my mental approach and training capacity.no wholefood on board and no carbs
mood:
very pleased with effort and strength, really please with NO beta so far, it is enhacing my workouts and not creating any negative effects whatsoever
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 2pm meal which settled well.

MD


Sunday = OFF

Day 7/30

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Legs

Type - Pyramids

5:30am Weight Training - Quads, hammies, calves

1 st 3 super set
extensions 12 reps for 50,60,70,80,100
curls 10 reps with 50,60,70,70,70
Calve raise stand 20 reps with 300*5

Squats
reps12,10,8,6,4
kgs 40,60,90,100,125

Deads
reps12,10,8,6,4
kgs 60,90,110,120,145

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:30am) 30mins after fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

Mental: Great pump and hardness in target muscles that remained pwo and recovered well.
Strength: fair strength and resistance with control and power.
Energy: no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good, Energy levels relatively low
Mirror: good seperation in legs, not sure if this is enhanced by the supplement.
rate: 6/10 not the BEST workout.
mood: not very pleased with effort and strength
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8am meal which settled well.

MD

Day8/30

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Deadlifts/ Calves

Type - Pryamids

5:00am Warm up cardio - use bike followed by 10 mins stretching
5:30am Weight Training - Hammies, lumbar & soleus

deadlifts 6 sets
reps: 6
kgs:50,100,125,150,150,150
superset with (6 sets)
seated calves 3 drop sets each time
200lbs for 30, 300lbs for 20,400lbs for 15

6:30am Interval cardio - use bike for bursts of 3 mins 1 min intevals for 30 mins

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:30am) 30mins after fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

Great workout this morning.

Mental:
Focused on going heavy today with PT, looking to work fast and hard. succeded!
Strength:
Great strength and power. Set up the body and core and was easily pumping out the reqd reps. I was definatley working at about 95% max on the lasts sets, which was taken to failure at 3-4 reps on the last sets of deads.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good,no noticable increase in sweat this morning at all.Once again went on to easliy smash 30 mins of interval HIIT, very happy with my efforts.
Mirror:
Looking very vascular in arms and across chest.
Misc:
Looking forward to next workout for sure.
rate:
9/10 great impact, made a big influence on my mental approach and training capacity.no wholefood on board and no carbs
mood:
pleased with effort and strength
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8am meal which settled well.


MD

will take another 6 prior to kickboxing and MMA tonight. approx 6pm

Day9/30

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Chest/ Back

Type - Supersets with agonist/antagonist

5:00pm Warm up cardio - use bike followed by 10 mins stretching
5:30pm Weight Training - pecs, tris, lats, lumbar, delts (4 supersets for 6 sets each pair)

bb row reps 10 with 40,70,80,100,110,115
flat bench reps 10, with 40,70,72.5,75,80,85

lat pull 8 reps, with 85,91,105,112,112
incline bench 10 reps with 40,60,65,70,70

chins 6 sets of 10
incline flys 15 reps with 20kg dbls

T bar 10 reps,with 50,60,70,80
dips (knees up) 4 sets of 10


6:30pm stretching and recovery

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:30pm) 2nd lot as took some in am with fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

Great workout Although the gym was overly packed and couldnt work as quick as I wanted.

Mental:
Focused on going heavy today with PT, looking to work fast and hard. succeded, to a degree.
Strength:
Great strength and power. Set up the body and core and was easily pumping out the reqd reps. I was definatley working at about 95% max on the lasts sets, which was taken to failure at 3-4 reps on the last sets of dips & chins.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good,a BIG noticable increase in sweatl and heart rate elevated, very happy with my efforts.smashed the workload
Mirror:
Looking very vascular in arms Chest is pumped to the max.
Misc:
Definatley seeing better reults in the afternoons, although i fast from about 3:30 (Tuna & beans), to still have on an empty stomach, i think the extra energy from the days nutrition reall assists.
rate:
9/10 great impact, made a big influence on my mental approach and training capacity. no carbs
mood:
pleased with effort and strength
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8pm meal Pork steaks and brocolli which settled well.


MD

Day10/30

Nutrition - as OP

Training: Arms

Type - Giant sets "Arm Blaster"/ calves

5:00am Warm up cardio - use bike followed by 10 mins stretching
5:30am Weight Training - bis, tris, gastroc & soleus

standing calf raises up for 6 sec down for 10 sec 300lbs *6
superset with
seated calf raises up for 6 sec down for 10 seconds with 45kg*6

Alt DB Curls 15reps 20,25,60,60,60
Straight barcurls 15reps 50,50,50,50,50
Preacher curls 15 reps 50,50,50,50,50
incline outward curls 15 reps 15,15,15,15,15
through this 4 times no rest.

Oh extension with bar 15reps 50,50,50,50,50
pushdowns 15 reps 80,80,80,80,80
CG bench press 15 reps 50,50,50,50,50
Lying DB ext 15 reps 15,15,15,15,15
through this 4 times no rest.

6:30am Interval cardio - 6 times 2 flights of setp with 12.5ksg onto bike for3 mins L12 then row for 700m in 3 mins through this 3 times.

NO BETA feedback:

6 tablets taken as I arrived at the gym (5:30am) 30mins after fat burner, creatine, BCAA's & Glutamine (& watermelon)

CRAZY pump action today, really filled the arms up quickly, actually had trouble near the end contracting bis due to the pump. great strength and vascularity.

Mental:
Focused on going heavy today with PT, looking to work fast and hard. succeded!
Strength:
Pumping out the reps. I was definatley working at about 98% max on the lasts sets, which was taken to failure at 6-8 reps on the last sets of each body part.
Energy:
no jitters or 'buzz' once again which is good,an increase in sweat this morning.Once again went on to easliy smash 30 mins of interval HIIT, very happy with my efforts.
Mirror:
Looking very very vascular in arms and.
Misc:
Chest & back tomorrow, hope my tris can recover well.
rate:
9/10 great impact, made a big influence on my mental approach and training capacity.no wholefood on board and no carbs
mood:
great
Food:
as above - OP
later:
60 mins after workout, felt great, no uneasiness or any relevant feelings whatsoever, ate 8am meal which settled well. roast beef and sweet potatoe

As of today I am cutting out Greek Yogurht and Beans from my diet (see OP) so will be relying even more on NO beta to assist in fueling workouts.


MD