Thread: What stack are you using.

Im just using two products at the moment Super pump 250 before training and musashi bulk protein blend after and during the day. I have noticed a resualt but im going to step it up a bit. I have just brought the following.

Black Widow HGH
Dymatize Creatine Mono
Musashi ISO 8 WPI protein

I will still be using superpump 250 before each workout .

What do you guys/girls think of my selection? My goal is just to get stronger and bigger but by all means not like arne lol. Just want to feel good again.

Originally Posted by westcoast

Im just using two products at the moment Super pump 250 before training and musashi bulk protein blend after and during the day. I have noticed a resualt but im going to step it up a bit. I have just brought the following.

Black Widow HGH
Dymatize Creatine Mono
Musashi ISO 8 WPI protein

I will still be using superpump 250 before each workout .

What do you guys/girls think of my selection? My goal is just to get stronger and bigger but by all means not like arne lol. Just want to feel good again.

I would suggest there may well be cheaper, better ways to achieve your goals.

take 2 is correct....but i gotta be honest with you though.
i trialled the dymatize micro for a 4 week cycle and it gave me a 3 kg gain, without any diet change.
but then again...its the only creatine ive used. but at least it works!

Originally Posted by Pusha

i trialled the dymatize micro for a 4 week cycle and it gave me a 3 kg gain, without any diet change.
but then again...its the only creatine ive used. but at least it works!

lol...... (10 chars)

Originally Posted by westcoast

Im just using two products at the moment Super pump 250 before training and musashi bulk protein blend after and during the day. I have noticed a resualt but im going to step it up a bit. I have just brought the following.

Black Widow HGH
Dymatize Creatine Mono
Musashi ISO 8 WPI protein

I will still be using superpump 250 before each workout .

What do you guys/girls think of my selection? My goal is just to get stronger and bigger but by all means not like arne lol. Just want to feel good again.

imo creatine is creatine, so you should just buy the cheapest stuff you can buy. Just ensure its micronized. the board sponsor bulknutrients should be the cheapest i would imagine. I personally dont use creatine. But yes you should benefit from using it.
I dont believe WPI is needed if your not cutting or lactose intolerant. Do some searches on wpi and wpc to find out why. (I dont think absorbtion time is significant enough on its own to make it better and justify extra cost) Also I would think there are cheaper and better alternatives out there for both your protein options.
Musashi Bulk? Just have a good quality WPC and add your own rolled oats :) Cheaper and more effective. Most bulker proteins have a majority of cheap carbs and poor protein blends in them. In my experience at least. The best i ever found when i was curiouse about them was 'awesome mass' by Horleys.
Super pump many will say is crap and a waste of money. I have never tried it or looked at the ingredients so i cant comment too much. If you like it then goodo then :)

Thanks for the info. Im looking at buying bulk protein from one of the sponsors who do people recommend on here. Superpump 250 i have found for me to work well so yeah i will stay on that and anyway i only take it before training so it lasts a while. So do you recommmend to go for a WPC or WPI protein? or should i go for 5kg bags of both ?

WestCoast, by buying raw ingredients direct from someone like us, I have no doubts we can provide you better quality nutrition at half the price you are currently paying.
www.bulknutrients.com.au

We have a WPI that has higher levels of protein and less carbohydrates than the one you are using and it's less than $30 a kg.
We can supply raw micronised pharmaceutical grade creatine for less than $30 a kg, which becomes even cheaper when you buy larger quantaties.

As an alternative to Super Pump you could get some caffeine, arginine and carbs from us which would work out to be far less than 1/4 of the price you are currently paying for a pre workout supp.

This goes for everyone too that is sick of buying name brands and wants more pure, much more cost effective products. It is no surprise our customer base is well into the thousands as bodybuilders (including many of the best amateurs in Australia and even some Pro's!) continue to switch to our range.

Originally Posted by Bioflex

As an alternative to Super Pump you could get some caffeine, arginine and carbs from us which would work out to be far less than 1/4 of the price you are currently paying for a pre workout supp.

Can you specify recommended quantities of the above, and details on how one would go about preparing a pre-workout drink that would out-perform/replace Superpump 250.

Originally Posted by westcoast

Thanks for the info. Im looking at buying bulk protein from one of the sponsors who do people recommend on here. Superpump 250 i have found for me to work well so yeah i will stay on that and anyway i only take it before training so it lasts a while. So do you recommmend to go for a WPC or WPI protein? or should i go for 5kg bags of both ?

I would say go with just WPC. Protein direct or Bulknutriens both have it for a very good price (if not the best) so either of them should be fine for you :)

Originally Posted by BIGMICK

Can you specify recommended quantities of the above, and details on how one would go about preparing a pre-workout drink that would out-perform/replace Superpump 250.

Good question Bigmick! SP250 is definatley popular with alot of the lifter out there from what i understand, so it would be great if Ben could put forward something to trump it without the customer having to use guesswork on which supps to mix.

This stack assumes that the most effectibe ingredients in super pump are the caffeine, carbohydrates, taurine, aakg and creatine and so the stack would be based on that.

We'll stick to a dose of 20g and 40% carbohydrates, as again that is standard for super pump.
From here, I would use a breakdown of Creatine 4g, AAKG 4kg, 2g Taurine, even 2g glutamine as that's in super pump with 8g of carbs and 150mg of caffeine per serve.

Dextrose 2kg - $10
Creatine Mono 1kg - $30
AAKG 1kg - $80
Glutamine 500g - $36 (this is much cheaper if you buy 1kg)
Taurine 500g - $44 (again much cheaper if 1kg is purchased)
Caffeine - $22

This is a total of 5kg worth of pre workout supps, which comes in at just over $40 a kg, super pump generally looks to be around $120 ($95 for 800g) and up, so this combo equates to 1/3 of the price.
While it is missing a few fancy unknowns, there is also a large advantage as you know exactly how much of everthing is in each dose.

An even cheaper alternative could be made if arginine was substituted for the aakg and/or larger quantaties were purcahsed at once.
Obviously this would get tricky though as not many people need 10kg of pre workout products at once!

Alternatively, you could start with a base product such as Biocharge, then buy 1kg of dextrose and some caffeine.

This would IMO give a product with a better balance of amino acids, would be caffeinated, and with a 50% carb level be suitable for those who want carbs. All up it would be just over $50 per kg.

Check A1 supps they sell superpump for around $70 if not cheaper depending on what you buy. I think its good value and works well for me. just my 2c

Originally Posted by Bioflex

Alternatively, you could start with a base product such as Biocharge, then buy 1kg of dextrose and some caffeine.

This would IMO give a product with a better balance of amino acids, would be caffeinated, and with a 50% carb level be suitable for those who want carbs. All up it would be just over $50 per kg.

What benefit would this give over just using using biocharge?

Originally Posted by Bioflex

This stack assumes that the most effectibe ingredients in super pump are the caffeine, carbohydrates, taurine, aakg and creatine and so the stack would be based on that.

We'll stick to a dose of 20g and 40% carbohydrates, as again that is standard for super pump.
From here, I would use a breakdown of Creatine 4g, AAKG 4kg, 2g Taurine, even 2g glutamine as that's in super pump with 8g of carbs and 150mg of caffeine per serve.

Dextrose 2kg - $10
Creatine Mono 1kg - $30
AAKG 1kg - $80
Glutamine 500g - $36 (this is much cheaper if you buy 1kg)
Taurine 500g - $44 (again much cheaper if 1kg is purchased)
Caffeine - $22

This is a total of 5kg worth of pre workout supps, which comes in at just over $40 a kg, super pump generally looks to be around $120 ($95 for 800g) and up, so this combo equates to 1/3 of the price.
While it is missing a few fancy unknowns, there is also a large advantage as you know exactly how much of everthing is in each dose.

An even cheaper alternative could be made if arginine was substituted for the aakg and/or larger quantaties were purcahsed at once.
Obviously this would get tricky though as not many people need 10kg of pre workout products at once!

Hi,

Would this stack be anywhere near as effective less the carbs?

MD

$70 for 800g is still over $90 a kg, though it may work well, many people use the combo I have mentioned which costs half the price and they also remark it works very well (some have switched from supps such as super pump)
The biggest issue I have always seen using a U.S sourced product with propietory blends is that there are many ingredients which aren't properly uinderstood and the inclusion rate is completely unknown.
IMO, our bodies are far too important to play guessing games with.
Saving money, as well as being sure you know what is going into your body while getting an equal effect makes sense.

Grimreaper, adding the caffeine will give a greater stimulant effect and for those who do like using carbs around training time, they can provide more energy. Obviously carbs can't be taken out once in a product which is why Biocharge is formulated without them. If people are cutting or just want to reduce carbs (and over all calories) Biocharge is perfect as is.
Caffeine does have many side effects (see Fadi's post for a few examples) and I believe using stimulatory aminos (phenylalanine and acetyl tyrosine) is superior than using caffeine for the purpose.


MD, I am sure the stack would be effective without the carbs, the example was just to display something similar in carb/amino ratios to super pump.