Thread: Waxy Maize Starch

Hey all, looking to add waxy maize starch to my pre, inta and post workout mixes.

Im just finishing off the last of my superpump and sizeon and switching over to 'bulk nutrients' range to save some cash and will be adding aminos etc to the mix (for example adding aakg, cm, ba and caffiene pre, eaa and bcaa intra, wpi, bcaa, creatine post)

im looking at doing about 20g carb pre, 20g carb intra 40g carb post.

what i mainly want to know is should i just use WMS as the sole carb source in these mixes or should i add dextrose, maltodextrose and GMS for an ultimate carb blend?

Also any general experiences from using waxy maize starch pre, intra and post?

cheers guys

WMS has an extremely high molecular weight and using it in conjunction with dextrose is like using WPI with milk, you are defeating the purpose.

I'd use WMS in accordance with my goals. That is, for example, if looking to 'cut up', I'd only use it post.

Great response Jason, Ads adding extra carbs to the WMs will definitely not make it make it better as the theory of WMS is all based on it's molecular weight - and the gastric emptying effect it should give.

Further to what Jason has says, when you make up a post or pre workout blend with the WMS and different aminos, it is best to stick to a 3 - 1 ratio for maximum effect. Ie, 30g of WMS to 10g of aminos, if you want 20g of total aminos then shoot for 60g of WMS.
It has been suggested that if the level of aminos (or any other compound for that matter) exceed this then the rapid gastric emptying effect will not be had as the total density of molecules per solution is too great. Having large amounts of water with the mix should help things further.

Excellent. Thanks for that info guys.

My pre and intra mixes will contain aminos so ill stick to the 3-1 ratio. I was planning on adding 20g of wpi in the post w/o mix. Would i be better to have this post w/o drink simply with dextrose or would 60g wms be suffice for the 20g wpi being 3:1(more wms than i was intending on having post w/o).

One more thing. I was going to add caffiene powder (about 200mg) to my pre w/o mix. Would the wms affect the half-life and therapuetic effect of the caffeine?

Thanks again

Originally Posted by Ads81

Excellent. Thanks for that info guys.

My pre and intra mixes will contain aminos so ill stick to the 3-1 ratio. I was planning on adding 20g of wpi in the post w/o mix. Would i be better to have this post w/o drink simply with dextrose or would 60g wms be suffice for the 20g wpi being 3:1(more wms than i was intending on having post w/o).

One more thing. I was going to add caffiene powder (about 200mg) to my pre w/o mix. Would the wms affect the half-life and therapuetic effect of the caffeine?

Thanks again

lol, cant wait to see the answers to this one. Would give them myself but im not feeling well sorry.

hmm ok.

What i meant was simply will the wms and the faster gastric emptying time diminish or increase the effect of the caffeine and the length of time (half life) is effect is had for.

I dont understand how that humoured you. A therapeutic dose is simply a dose at which desired effect is acheived. Anyway, sorry youre not feeling well

Originally Posted by Ads81

I dont understand how that humoured you.

I believe he was humoured by reference to the 'therapeutic' affects of caffeine.

Originally Posted by Ads81

A therapeutic dose is simply a dose at which desired effect is acheived.

Therapeutic Definition | Definition of Therapeutic at Dictionary.com

Therapeutic usualy has to do with healing or curing - Caffiene is handy - I use it often - but it is hardly therapeutic.

Exactly. Thanks ClownBoy. Sorry Ads81, i was hoping someone would post up a link to a specific post made by one of our forum members Fadi regarding the negative effects of caffeine use as i cant find it myself. if it pops up again i will post it up anyhow.

And i dont think the effects or time of the caffeine will be changed, as it is absorbed into the blood stream from what i understand. as long as its in your system it should be doing the trick i would think :)

Cheers mate thats what i thought too i just wasnt sure if the WMS would perhaps act as a catalyst making a usuall dose more potent.

Just for clarification "therapeutic effect" is usually a dose at which the drug is desirable or beneficial without side effects.

Ill be buying some WMS shortly. Thanks for the help guys.

Here's a thread I created so we stop looking for my replies here and there: Caffeine kills

Ads81, WMS is best taken with WMS and nothing more in the form of carbohydrates as the other gentlemen here have said. As for caffeine, please follow the link above before you prepare your questions, (if you have any). Thank you Sir.


Fadi.

Cheers Fadi. A very interesting read.

There seems to be an abundance of pros and cons for the use of caffeine as a drug. For me at least, i have cut out at least 60% of my total caffeine intake in the last 4 months with the only time i take it being before the gym and in progressively smaller amounts. I chose to do this purely as i found myself becomming addicted to it and i noticed effects on my blood pressure and resting pulse. Yesterday I ordered some Biocharge (caffeine free) based on comments from this forum and for the fact that i have been trying to cut out my intake so your article is timely for me. Still, through trial and error over the last 10+ years of training i have found i perform better during workouts with caffeine on board than without and that goes for strength, endurance and workload capacity. This is just from my own personal experience of course and id have to say that overthe years i have probably trained 90% without caffeine and 10% with.

Thanks again for that article Fadi.

My main questions about the WMS have been adequately answered through this thread and further resaerch so im happy to put this to rest.

Cheers

You're most welcome Ads81.
Cheers,

Fadi.

Myself and my training partner have done quite a bit of playing around with WMS, overall it is a very good product, dont combine the malt/dextrose, as one primary beneficial part of using WMS is soooooo much less bloating. Also experiment a bit with pre/intra/post use, do you usually respond well to pre workout carb supplements ? I personally dont, however the post have found this an amazing product at times, especially combined with other ingredients also. keep us posted how u go.