Thread: My protein powder.. opinions?

Hey guys just after some opinions on the protein powder i buy from a local bodyworks shop here in W.A... It says it includes glutamine, BCAA's and vitamins.

Just wondering if this is safe to be taking twice a day along with a multi v and glutamine. Ive taken some shots so u can see the ingredients... sorry about the bad quality.. they were taken with my camera.

My current diet can be seen here - My Diet and Workout

Mate it's just a normal WPI. BCAA's can be found in all protein powders as these amino acids are part of what forms "protein."

Yeah i understand that my main worry was the fact that it includes vitamins and minerals.. and would taking that amount twice plus a multi v be to much?

I have read that overdosing on vitamins does have some bad sideffects... especially selenium.

I notice that the second highest ingredient is Soy. I believe there are a number of studies linking Soy to low testosterone.

Maybe one of the local diet or hormone gurus could confirm or dispel this?

Tim

The product actually looks quite OK, but this is a prime example of false labelling, I'll run through a reasons why.
Disregard the soy though Tim, it is just used as an emusifier - which helps the protein mix, it's inclusion would be well under 1% and all instantised proteins contain this.

Firstly, the Protein content is listed at 90%.
Now, regardless of what type of WPI is used, a raw protein ratio of over 92.0% is near impossible, that is the upper limit for any kind of measured protein.

Given that, we know that the inclusion rate of every other ingredient could not be more than 2.2%, as 92% raw protein divided by the final concentration of 90% means only allows 2.2% additives.

If the product was like ours, where the ONLY other ingredients are flavouring and a sweetener then I could see the 2.2%, however this product has a large assortment of added vitamins, minerals - in fact 20 extra ingredients in total, so a 98% protein inclusion is completely impossible.

Further evidence is the carbohydrate level. Any decent hydrolysed WPI has no more than 0.5g of carbs and 0.6g of fat naturally, so anything above this point means that the carbs are added by way of flavouring or other additives.

The fact that the product reads 4.7g carbs and 1.25g per of fat per 100g means that the extra ingredients have been added at an inclusion rate of at least 4.8g's.
Of course, the extra ingredients aren't pure fats and carbs, so the inclusion of that additive is likely to be more like 8 to 9% (as flavouring is typically half nutrients). Add the 20 various minerals and vitamins and the total protein ratio takes a massive hit again.

Absolutely blatant false labelling, the final protein ratio of this product could not be more than 83 - 84%.
While, many would argue that the final protein ratio isn't a massive factor, I am sure everyone agrees that these kind of lies shouldn't be tolerated.

Rant over!

Good info.

So is the labelling on Protein regulated in any way?

Yes and No mate.

There are reasonably strict labelling laws in place, however it is basically up to the market to regulate itself. within Australia.
Unless someone complains, certainly the authorities aren't going to pick up on stuff like this, particularly with small companies.

The obvious thing here though - which I think makes the situation so much worse is that the mistake is very calculated, as the company have obviously tried to mislead buyers, passing a product off as much more pure than it actually is.

To be honest, I see errors like this all the time, the most popular one is with comapnies in the U.S giving amino acids no Nutritional value at all - where they should clearly be marked as proteins.

Do people therefore buy the products and assume it has no Nutritional value whatsoever?
I can imagine a law suit in a few years where someone got fat from eating amino acids powders, "Your Honour, it said it had no calories on the label"

Originally Posted by Bioflex

The product actually looks quite OK, but this is a prime example of false labelling, I'll run through a reasons why.
Disregard the soy though Tim, it is just used as an emusifier - which helps the protein mix, it's inclusion would be well under 1% and all instantised proteins contain this.

Firstly, the Protein content is listed at 90%.
Now, regardless of what type of WPI is used, a raw protein ratio of over 92.0% is near impossible, that is the upper limit for any kind of measured protein.

Given that, we know that the inclusion rate of every other ingredient could not be more than 2.2%, as 92% raw protein divided by the final concentration of 90% means only allows 2.2% additives.

If the product was like ours, where the ONLY other ingredients are flavouring and a sweetener then I could see the 2.2%, however this product has a large assortment of added vitamins, minerals - in fact 20 extra ingredients in total, so a 98% protein inclusion is completely impossible.

Further evidence is the carbohydrate level. Any decent hydrolysed WPI has no more than 0.5g of carbs and 0.6g of fat naturally, so anything above this point means that the carbs are added by way of flavouring or other additives.

The fact that the product reads 4.7g carbs and 1.25g per of fat per 100g means that the extra ingredients have been added at an inclusion rate of at least 4.8g's.
Of course, the extra ingredients aren't pure fats and carbs, so the inclusion of that additive is likely to be more like 8 to 9% (as flavouring is typically half nutrients). Add the 20 various minerals and vitamins and the total protein ratio takes a massive hit again.

Absolutely blatant false labelling, the final protein ratio of this product could not be more than 83 - 84%.
While, many would argue that the final protein ratio isn't a massive factor, I am sure everyone agrees that these kind of lies shouldn't be tolerated.

Rant over!

It doesn't get any better than that!
This is why companies like you will last for as long as you wish in this industry while others crash and burn.
Honesty.

That was like an episode of CSI for protien powders, lol.

Hahaha that was definately an interesting read. I will close this page a little smarter than when i opened it.

LOL MO.

Great post thanks Bioflex.

Glad you liked it guys. To be honest, when I read stuff like this it reminds me of why I got into the industry

Don't worry about it Schulzy, the amounts of vitamins in protein powders is generally very low.

I don't understand your explanation of why that labelling is false bioflex. Something like 97 of the 100g is accounted for and the other fraction would be the added vitamins and minerals I would have thought.

Snoopa, which part don't you understand mate?


It is fact that no raw protein manufactured even when 100% pure (with nothing yet added to it) can be over a percentage of about 92%.
This means for a protein to have a final concentration of 90%, then the additives - sweeteners, flavours, vitamins, minerals etc etc can not total more than 2.2%.

It is very clear with this product (due to both it's ingredient list and amount of carbs and fats - which could only come from the high level flavourer) that these ingredients make up far more than 2.2%, hence why a final protein ratio of 90% is impossible.

I don't understand how something can be 100% yet really only 92% lol

I see the confusion now Snoopa

Basically, whey protein isolate and whey protein concentrate are not pure protein. The isolate does come close, however due to it containing some amount of carbohydrates and fats which are almost impossible to get out, the product will never be pure protein.
What brings the percentage down to 92% however for even the best proteins is the moisture content which again is inescapable.

Carbohydrates like dextrose and maltodextrin are other good examples of this, even the best products (while being 100% pure with no other additives) still contain enough moisture to bring the carbohydrate levels down to 90%.