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Are there any studies available on this product?
Are there any studies available on this product?
ive had alot of really positive feedback with this product.
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Pro H,
Whats the difference between the 6 and the 11??
The major difference between these 2 supps is the chemical compounds.
6 oxo contains androstenetrione and 11 oxo contains andrenosterone.
Andrenosterone forte is cutting it will decrease BF and adipose tissue with a few other great benefits :)
androstene will stimulate your fsh and Lh receptors producing more testosterone and increasing protein syn. great for PCT or those looking for that boost
Im considering running a 4 cap a day cycle of the 11-oxo, regarding PCT can I get away with just some Wild Bull Trib for a couple of weeks? ( I have some lying around)
Ok, I'm confused....
Just how does this stuff force the need for PCT? Does it shut down endogenous test production? It's a cortisol inhibitor, right?
Can someone explain to me why/how PCT (and please define exactly what you mean by PCT) is needed after a cycle of this stuff?
If this product is so strong that it requires PCT, I'm all ears, but frankly? I'm not sold yet.
Is 11 OXO suppressive?
11 OXO may cause suppression at high doses due to the fact that it converts to 11-ketotestosterone, a potent androgen. This is exhibited especially at higher doses, 6+ caps/day. Always make sure to run the proper PCT after each cycle.
Ok, I have some probs here.Originally Posted by Pro H
You say "may" cause suppression. Are you suggesting that it "may" convert enough to suppress to the extent that PCT is needed? If so, what science backs that up?
You say "proper PCT", which leads back to my first point. Are you suggesting that this product eseentially does what exogenous steroid use does?
Define "proper PCT". Surely the standard PCT protocols of Nolva/Clomid and/or HCG, etc etc are overkill? Or are you suggesting this product is more potent, or as potent, as steroid use?
I'm sorry to be narky, but if this product was so powerful as to require the same PCT as steroid use, then why the hell use steroids at all?
Cheers.
11oxo contains adrenosterone which is a pro hormone just like 1ad or 4ad there pro hormones. They will cause surpression and in some cases yes complete shut down. Just like anavar it is classified as a steroid but at low doses it will not cause surpression however at a high dose it will.
11oxo requires PCT in the form of 6oxo i personally have found this better then nolva, clomid and hcg and i have used them all. 6oxo is also easier to get ;)
Are you serious?
I've used them all too, and to say 6OXO is better than all of them is at best shameless self-promotion, and at worst ignorance. Sorry if that's harsh.
If you look at my posting about a short 6OXO trial, it did indeed increase testosterone levels, but was also very estrogenic. Hardly the best pct tool.
ok i dont want this thread to turn into a bashing match, i said personally it works better for me then those other products, just my experience and what i personally use for my PCT.
Mate, not about a bashing match, because if you've ready any or my posts on alternative therapies, you'd know I'm a strong advocate.
However, there is very little science to back the claims of 6OXO, and you must agree, that a personal endorsement from the guy selling the product, is hardly a standout recommendation. If you think it works better for you than the other items, then ok. For me? It's too estrogenic to be of use, depsite its obvious test boosting properties.
Thats all i was saying it works better for me then those other products.
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