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Even in a court of law ? I'd prefer inspiration and guidance came from a rational source and based on the facts.
I think God is ok in peoples private lives but not in government affairs and courts.
Even in a court of law ? I'd prefer inspiration and guidance came from a rational source and based on the facts.
I think God is ok in peoples private lives but not in government affairs and courts.
Last edited by Calsonick; 06-02-2010 at 07:23 PM. Reason: typo
Its only hard if you dont know how.
You may well be right on that. And fwiw I'll take my inspiration and guidance from wherever I can, even from God.Originally Posted by Calsonick
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I think you'd find yourself in the majority here Calsonick, since separation of church and state is widely accepted by the West. This separation has obviously created another ism called secularism — which is practically another religion. You say that you prefer inspiration and guidance came from a rational source and based on the facts. I have no problem with such a sentiment as long as by saying it, you're not implying that it's somehow irrational for someone to believe in a source that comes from God. Of course this works both ways and as long as justice and equality for all is adhered to, then peace would prevail.
PS: Some would have to compromise as some are doing right now under secularism; no system/ism, or religion has a one size fits all no matter how wonderful its adherents may think or say so (myself included)...
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i think we think too much, and it makes us feel better when we do believe in something. It helps drive, and guidance.
Others who are stronger, don't need the "pressure" or "ultimatum" to be good. We are good because we want to be. And truely know thats whats the right thing to do. Hence why i believe in Karma.
I agree C_T, a psychologist by the name of Wilhelm Reich wrote the same thing. That is that a mature person just wants to do the right thing. He called it the 'self regulating character structure'. He wrote lots of other stuff too and some of it was a bit BS.
One of the reasons i don't want to do anything bad is that i have to live with myself for the rest of my life. I don't want to have to deal with it, i already have enough to deal with.. Doing something stupid like beating someone up would only mean i (in the least) have to mentally feel guilt over it for a long long time. Mani just don't want the shit. In that way I 'regulate myself' - obviously this message is big in religious teachings.
I was watching an interesting doco the other night on the rise of humans from hunter gathers to the invention of farming in the middle East.
An interesting connection they made was the ties between out food production and religion.
Before farming became the dominant way to sustain a population, humans practiced spiritual rituals tied to the land (think Aborigines and other ancient cultures) because we were tied to the land, and had no power over it. As soon as we started to use the earth for our own means, by changing it though farming, we became guilty and formed religions that placed other being higher then us, thus taking away any guilt.
Very interesting in that it makes some scene as to how religion formed.
Its all guilt based. The catholics were right after all.
I do agree with elements of your statement, but by your own reasoning, should the people who don't believe in Karma be stronger than you because they do not need to think of every thing in cause and effect, consequence type of way...
Just theorizing!
id say they are weaker bricktop...
But they don't share the pressure or ultimatium of believing in the strucuture of Karma.
How are they weaker?
Your faith in karma as a reason to do good is on equal level with those of religious faith surley.
I'd suggest to you, pete, that the way people behave is based on how they are conditioned. Guilt for killing someone only occurs (in most people) because we are conditioned to believe it is wrong. Infact, there is no right and wrong, there just IS. A thin viel of religion, culture and conditioning is what makes us think the way we do, scratch the surface and we are all alike, from the savage killers in Sudan, to the dog torturers in China, the Taliban in Afghanistan, the BBQ'ing beer drinking brickie in Australia, all the same, all capable of the same thing.
Bricktop, sounds like you might be talking about the BBC 3 part documentary, Guns, Germs, and Steel. A good way to start to get a bit of perspective.
Its only hard if you dont know how.
^^ Wise words ^^
I was watched a program on the ABC last night about the black Saturday fires. It was an emotional experience just to watch & listen to people talk about what happened to them on the day. Afterward I was thinking about karma and wondering how it could possibly apply in this situation? I asked this question of Jesper in another thread & never got a reply. Basically bad things happen to good people, how can this be explained in the context of karma?
I just saw my parents having sex, that's the last time I visit that website.
Yes Calsonick a very good point. Even though it appears that the spiritually/personally immature are more prone to bad behavior and this may be theorized by many, however as in the case of, say Germany 1940s, can suddenly reverse depending upon cultural circumstances. Recently a Catholic nun was sentenced to 30yrs for participating in the Rawandan genocide - any one of us is capable.
Tranquilo brings us to the next interesting point of Karma. For my understanding at first sight it does not exist - Idi Amin died a lovely death under the protection of the Suadi royal family, Pol Pot was never caught, certainly if there is Karma is only appears in the movies - often thats what makes a good movie.
Or perhaps Karma takes a lifetime to catch up to you, which may explain why bad things happen to good people.
Some things are a mystery
Don't thinks so....I have read that book and its a different show i think.
The only thing that is between you and greatness is YOU believing you are not great.
I must have missed this one Tranquilo :-).
Karma is one of these things that are largely misunderstood in the west. Karma is NOT about right or wrong or punishment or reward. Karma is a Universal Law that states that what you do to others, will be done to you. As such, it creates an equilibrium over time.
The next confusion occurs because we tend to analyse Karma in the context of our current life. Karma is the sum total of all our actions (it is actually more than just actions) across all life times. Just as energy is cyclical, Karma is also cyclical. This often manifests as extremes, or polarities, in our life. For example, in one life we are the perpetrator, the next life the victim and so on. This is why "bad" things happen to "good" people.
Sometimes it helps to look at Karma by looking at something that we are more familiar with; our EGO. Our ego is the incarnation of our Karma in this life. Our ego is not just the obvious and observable aspects of our personality, our ego also acts on a sub-conscious level, attracting energies that resonate with itself.
For those interested in Karma, I have written about it quite a lot in previous threads on this forum, as well as on Facebook:
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Hey thanks Jesper now that makes sense. Karma produces equilibrium in the cosmos over many incarnations.. not apparent over one only.
Because all souls are part of the cosmos then a push will result in a pull.. later on in another incarnation. This balancing of the universe/cosmos aids in the long term goal of bringing about a perfect universe or as some would say 'completing the great work'.
In conclusion one could assume that when religion instructs us to 'be good' - it really is telling us to reduce our Karma... Not just bring about law and order in society.
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