Thread: The Elvolution of Consciousness.

It doesn't. But I think the point is that science is only starting to catch up with some of the concepts of spirituality (just like some belief systems have yet to catch up with science). From my perspective, there should be (and is) no division between the two - they are not opposites but one and the same.

Consciousness can of course be discussed from many different points of view. It is certainly possible to discuss consciousness from a scientific viewpoint, reducing it to electrical impulses in the brain. You can possibly reduce love in the same way. Or sex . Describing an orgasm as electrical an electrical impulse travelling from your sacral region into the brain is probably correct.

My question is what purpose such a description has? Love, just as an orgasm, is experiential. To discuss it in a scientific context removes the feelings and the experience. To read about love, and its physical workings in the body, at least to me is quite meaningless. And I suspect many others share this view, as love is rarely described, quantified or qualified in a scientific context. Who here describes their love to someone by describing how their electrons move about in the brain?

Consciousness is the same. It is experiental and highly individual. When we adopt a scientific context we can at best answer some of the what question, e.g. what happens for example in the brain. So what? Who cares? Who receives an joyful experience from knowing that electrons move in the brain?

This is really the conundrum. As humans we strive towards more joy in our life, or self-realisation. For some people this is a conscious choice, for others it is less conscious. But we all want happiness, security, love and respect in life. Everything we do, directly or indirectly, is about bringing more joy into our life.

So why then do we discuss consciousness in a scientific context? How can a scientific understanding of consciousness bring more joy? Will a scientific understanding of an orgasm bring more joy into our sexlife? I suggest not!

This is the reason why I say that any meaningful discussion about consciousness must be spiritual in nature, because consciousness relates to who we are, how we think, how we feel, what we desire in life, and ultimately, our individual potential and purpose as human beings.

So before I start discussing what (my view) of consciousness is, are you with me so far?

Originally Posted by azzah

It doesn't. But I think the point is that science is only starting to catch up with some of the concepts of spirituality (just like some belief systems have yet to catch up with science). From my perspective, there should be (and is) no division between the two - they are not opposites but one and the same.

I think this is correct.

Using the Newtonian school of physics, as discussed in this thread, there is seemingly a great divide looking at consciousness from a spiritual and scientific perspective. With the discoveries in Quantum Physics in the last 30-40 years, science and spirituality is merging rapidly.

The scientific concept of non-locality, that is, communication that does not take place in the 3rd dimension which we experience, has been described 5000 years ago by the indians, who called it the Akasha. Some of the most eminent scientists today call it the Akashic field (or A-field). If anyone is interested I can recommend some great readings .

Originally Posted by Tamtam

It doesn't necessarily have to be spiritual in nature. There are many scientists looking at the question of consciousness.

Check these out if you've the time or inclination.

Center for Consciousness Center . Tucson . Arizona

Quantum Consciousness . Stuart Hameroff

Guide to the Philosophy of Mind

What they all have in common is that they raise more question than they answer . This is often the consequence when you try to analyse something in a context that is not suitable in the first place.

What readings Jesper?

I agree with your thoughts about science - I think it often emphasises deconstructive principles often at the cost of the whole. You can see it in nutritionism, medicine, etc.

One great classic is Fritjof Capra's "Tao of Physics". This is one of the books that made a huge impression on me when I started my spiritual journey. Although Fritjof is a physicist, this book is very easy to read.

Another great book is Ervin Laszlo's "Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything". Integrated theories of everything, e.g. theories that can explain ALL behaviours in Universe, including consciousness, is being researched very heavily right now. This book is superbly well-written and easily understood, and uses evidence and research conclusions from some of the most eminent scientists in history.

Bruce Lipton's "Biology of Belief" is another very interesting book that debunks the importance of our genetic code in favour of environment and consciousness.

Thanks...sounds like some Amazon buys might be coming up!

Yes i would like that pathway. I liked the last blog too. I like the gia theory where every soul plays its natural part in the earth group mind. The metaphor being the bee hive.

We certainly have to loose our selfish attitude. Arn't we also looking at an ET concousness too. Perhaps extra cosmic too.

You words made me realise the urgency of the issue. We only have a couple of hundred yrs at very most.

Pete

What I have written below is perhaps not for everyone. Certain names came to mind, and if you read this you will quickly know if you are one of these.

One possible approach to view consciousness is to look at our "God model", or what kind of God we do or do not believe in.

One traditional God-model is to view God external to you. Like an all powerful power above you that you need to please in order to receive salvation.

Another is to rationalise everything with the mind, and what the mind does not understand or comprehend is rejected. The power of the mind is the God.

Both of these God-models are true. They are true if you believe in any of them. Whatever we believe in becomes our truth. Our belief system is our truth, and forms the view we have of ourselves and others. This holds true for everything in life, not only God-models. This is how we create our reality.

If we change a belief we change our reality. This is the ancient secret. It is secret not because someone protects it; it is there for all to see. It is secret because it is so simple. And we expect something complex. We can change any belief we want, change our reality into what we want, and become whoever we want. It is only a matter of belief .

This is my God-model. I believe that God created us in his/her image. Not in the way we look, but the way we can create! Only by being God can we create so freely, and so easily. By simply believing that we can .

I create my reality at will. And when I create it, I create it in such a way that it is full of peace and love. That gives me the power to look beyond much of the pettiness in daily living. I chose, in any moment, to embrace love instead of anger, compassion instead of righteousness, and peace instead of irritation.

When I surrender my judgement of the world around me, which comes from me surrendering the judgement I hold about myself, a new reality emerges. By not judging things to be right or wrong, and to surrender to the very perfection of the now, a fourth dimension becomes visible.

This fourth dimension is the knowledge of connectedness. How everything hangs together and inter-relate. When I see this dimension I see why things happen. And my role in making them happen. And how I can change things and make other things happen if that is what I want. I am fully empowered in my knowledge that God is not external, some sort of conductor making things happen. God is the connectedness, the superior intelligence that connects everything. Because it is everything. And I am part of this everything. And by adopting this as my highest truth and I step into my power as God.

"The kingdom Within" pretty much sums it up .

Sometimes I read my old posts and they seem so 'full on' .

Consciousness in a sense is quite simple, it is about how you choose to experience your world. What you believe in is reflected back to you. If you believe the world is out to get you, you will see conspiracies in every corner. If you believe you are beautiful, the world will love you. You chose your beliefs, and through them you chose how to experience life.

The spiritual journey is the journey to expand ones's consciousness, and through this expansion, create a new reality with more joy and understanding. A reality that fulfills us as human beings deeper, and makes things more meaningful.

The difference between the spiritual journey and the religious journey is that the spiritual journey does not teach what is right or wrong. It teaches you to find out for yourself. And to make your own choices. The consequences of your choices become your Karma.

iove missed this thread, will read through and post morro.

Ive read alot on the subject

Originally Posted by Jesper

Sometimes I read my old posts and they seem so 'full on' .

Consciousness in a sense is quite simple, it is about how you choose to experience your world. What you believe in is reflected back to you. If you believe the world is out to get you, you will see conspiracies in every corner. If you believe you are beautiful, the world will love you. You chose your beliefs, and through them you chose how to experience life.

The spiritual journey is the journey to expand ones's consciousness, and through this expansion, create a new reality with more joy and understanding. A reality that fulfills us as human beings deeper, and makes things more meaningful.

The difference between the spiritual journey and the religious journey is that the spiritual journey does not teach what is right or wrong. It teaches you to find out for yourself. And to make your own choices. The consequences of your choices become your Karma.

But Karma is an invention of mans imagination. Karma is not part of the physical world.

Karma is a superstition.

The search for meaning is a false hope. Human beings don't exist for any higher purpose or secret mystical meaning. We are living organisms just like any other on this planet & probably lots of other planets in the cosmos. And just like every other living creature on this planet our purpose is too reproduce our genetic code & then die. Sounds like a waste for a creature with such a big brain I know.

The tragedy of our intelligence is that we are capable of fooling ourselves into believing that we are somehow special in this universe. We invented religion or spirituality if that's what your calling it because we can't stand the idea that death is the end of conscious existence.

The truth is that we are the result of 4 billion years of evolution on this one medium sized blue green planet. A pretty amazing thing & not something that happens all the time. Homo Sapiens (us) have been around for about 200K years. It sounds like a long time, but it's a mere blink of an eye in the 13 billion year history of the universe. And like most species that came before us, Homo Sapiens will eventually go extinct. And when we are gone the universe will go on fine without us.

I always thought that what differed us from the other animals was our ability to acheive self knowledge - to acheive enlightenment - knowledge and conversation of our Holy Guardian Angel - self realisation - individuation - experience the here and now and a few other terminolgies and that is not of course not to include our particular pyschic abilities.

But even more amazing for me is how did concousness start in the first place? I mean after the big bang. How did the first race start? It must have been a very long long process full of coincidences.

Amino acids, the carbon based forms, etc etc

Peter

Originally Posted by Tranquilo

But Karma is an invention of mans imagination. Karma is not part of the physical world.

Karma is a superstition.

The search for meaning is a false hope. Human beings don't exist for any higher purpose or secret mystical meaning. We are living organisms just like any other on this planet & probably lots of other planets in the cosmos. And just like every other living creature on this planet our purpose is too reproduce our genetic code & then die. Sounds like a waste for a creature with such a big brain I know.

The tragedy of our intelligence is that we are capable of fooling ourselves into believing that we are somehow special in this universe. We invented religion or spirituality if that's what your calling it because we can't stand the idea that death is the end of conscious existence.

The truth is that we are the result of 4 billion years of evolution on this one medium sized blue green planet. A pretty amazing thing & not something that happens all the time. Homo Sapiens (us) have been around for about 200K years. It sounds like a long time, but it's a mere blink of an eye in the 13 billion year history of the universe. And like most species that came before us, Homo Sapiens will eventually go extinct. And when we are gone the universe will go on fine without us.

You are of course absolutely right. What you say holds true, for you! If that is what you believe, it is also what you create. A life without meaning or purpose. A life where you think you are insignificant.

What you write is a true recipe for mediocracy, believing that all is random, that we are always victoms of what falls upon us. That we are powerless and all we can do is to simply wait for death. And that is the end of it.

You choose to believe that and that is your choice. I simply choose something different .

Originally Posted by Pete789

I always thought that what differed us from the other animals was our ability to acheive self knowledge - to acheive enlightenment - knowledge and conversation of our Holy Guardian Angel - self realisation - individuation - experience the here and now and a few other terminolgies and that is not of course not to include our particular pyschic abilities.

But even more amazing for me is how did concousness start in the first place? I mean after the big bang. How did the first race start? It must have been a very long long process full of coincidences.

Amino acids, the carbon based forms, etc etc

Peter

Hi Peter, many ask these questions .

For me personally many of these questions add no value to my life. The only truth is this very moment. What once existed will never exist again, and we do not know what will come to exist. So the only true truth is this very moment, what we see, feel , think, desire and experience right now.

So how do you rather spend your life? Thinking of the past and trying to figure out the meaning of life? Of do you spend it making this existing moment as glorious and fulfilling as possible? Living your life in its utmost fullness?

I believe that understanding starts with SELF, not what is around us, or what may or may not have happened in the past. When we go deep enough within we begin to understand why we are here, and what our individual unique purpose and gifts are. This is where self-empowerment starts. To understand who we truly are. And what we are here to do!