Thread: What Happens When You Die?

some very bad shit happening in the capital mumbai at the moment.

Hell is not a punishment, it is something we choose to create for ourselves And we can ALWAYS 'unchoose' it! Even after this life.

Yes well said Jesper, without sounding corny, you are the man who puts things into context so well, thankyou.

Thank you all for your kind words. It is good to be back . I just have somewhat limited time to post at work as work is pretty hectic right now.

Yes PD I remember Rory. He really is pretty full on .

Originally Posted by ProteinDirect

I thought you're not into religious discussions. And yet you puzzle me with your second reply. So which one is it?

lol sorry im not religious, more of an agnostic sorry for the confusion

Originally Posted by Rusha

I don't think Rix said he was for or against religious discussions.

Rix are you saying that what constitutes wrong doing in this day and age was just day to day survival type of behaviour back in prehistoric times? And that if there is heaven and hell now, there would have been then? So if thats the case to send bad dudes to hell now would mean the goalposts for sin have changed?

Exactly! Rusha 2 point for interpreting my bogan slang into real words haha

Originally Posted by ProteinDirect

I'm just giving you the Christian theory. This theory of evolution is NOT a biblical thing. It's a man's invention under the guise of so called science. Believe one (the Bible) or the other (the so called science) but not one in between. This neantherdall is not a biblical concept. This is the problem when you try and bring outside things into the Bible.

Now couldn't one day in biblical terms mean something else like millions and millions of years? Simple answer is NO. No because in the 10 commandments God gave the 4th commandment as in 6 days you shall work but on the 7th you should rest. Pretty simple wouldn't you say? This clearly refutes the theory of a day meaning the nonsense of millions of years.

@Rix: just adding to the religious discussion

see this is the thing that confuses me.. its so unclear to an average joe?

I love religious debate almost as much as political debate

Anywho, I come from a pretty unique background where I was raised as a Jehovahs Witness but now call myself a spiritualist. Basically all my beliefs now totally contradict the beliefs I had drilled into me for 17 years.

As a JW, the belief on death is that when you die, that's it. No heaven\hell, nothing. You get buried or cremated and that's it, awaiting the end of times, armageddon and then the resurrection to the new earth. Those who are alive during the end of times need to repent during this time because once the whole armageddon thing happens, that's it. When you die that's it forever. Those who are dead and then are resurrected, have the choice to follow God and if not, then they will also then be part of those who will be dead forever.

As part of the JW beliefs, Satan who was cast to Earth and ruler of the demons, enables those who converse with the spirit world. They're not actually spirts of deceased loved ones but the demons.

SO, my now beliefs are when you die, your body dies and your spirit is still 'alive'. These are able to communicate with us (mediumship\clairvoyance etc). Also, you can choose to reincarnate. I'm definately not coming back again. This whole earth life thing is far too hard for my liking.

Anywho, you can imagine how all my 'witchy' stuff freaks my Mother out. She caught me with my tarot cards one day when she came to visit. I was sitting on the floor and she walked in the front door and wanted to know what I was doing. Then she realised and says 'oh, your witchy stuff' and walked off into the kitchen.

thats interesting Som!,

i live about 5 doors from a JW church... interesting.. i thought they were all the same lol my bad

The Jehovah Witnesses or JWs are a cult and were never part of mainstream Christianity. They should actually be called Watchtowerites since their whole doctrine comes from the Watchtower. Yes the JWs are very decent people with good intentions but they are nevertheless wrong in their beliefs. They are held in bondage by the Watchtower. I actually challenged one of the JWs to tell me one wrong thing the Watchtower society ever did and boy did this JW go quiet on this subject. Couldn't name one thing. Even I can tell you things that my church did wrong in the past or where they erred but not the Watchtower.

Rix, religion isn't really that confusing. People make it confusing. It also depends on which religion you're talking about because after all, if you talk about the Bible it's like Mark Twain said: "It ain't the things that I don't understand about the Bible that bother me, it's the things that I do understand".

But for those who think: "My god would never send people to hell" this may surprise you: I agree 100%. YOUR god couldn't send people to hell because he does not exist. I don't mean to offend you and I can assure you offending you is not my intention but your god doesn't exist: he's just a figment of your imagination. You just created a god that thinks like you, does things the way you want them done, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by ProteinDirect

Rix, religion isn't really that confusing. People make it confusing. It also depends on which religion you're talking about because after all, if you talk about the Bible it's like Mark Twain said: "It ain't the things that I don't understand about the Bible that bother me, it's the things that I do understand".

Mark Twain also said - "Faith is believing what you know aint so"

Originally Posted by ProteinDirect

But for those who think: "My god would never send people to hell" this may surprise you: I agree 100%. YOUR god couldn't send people to hell because he does not exist. I don't mean to offend you and I can assure you offending you is not my intention but your god doesn't exist: he's just a figment of your imagination. You just created a god that thinks like you, does things the way you want them done, etc, etc.

Man, thats a good one. You telling someone their god does not exist. Thats a knee slapper for sure :)


Hey M.O time to shut this thread down- this guy just told someone his god does not exist!

Originally Posted by Bricktop

Mark Twain also said - "Faith is believing what you know aint so"



Man, thats a good one. You telling someone their god does not exist. Thats a knee slapper for sure :)


Hey M.O time to shut this thread down- this guy just told someone his god does not exist!

Mark Twain also said he's hungry one day. He also said other things. Your point?

And yes you're right I should have said in my opinion your god does not exist. Thanks for pointing that out

Originally Posted by ProteinDirect

But for those who think: "My god would never send people to hell" this may surprise you: I agree 100%. YOUR god couldn't send people to hell because he does not exist. I don't mean to offend you and I can assure you offending you is not my intention but your god doesn't exist: he's just a figment of your imagination. You just created a god that thinks like you, does things the way you want them done, etc, etc.

We all make up our God, including you . That is the power we have been given by God, to create our own reality through the use of free will.

You choose to believe in a God that must be worshipped. This is logical, as people want to be worshipped, hence we think that God must be want to be worshipped also. The God you have created is true for you, and the God you believe in must be worshipped, because that is what you believe.

Yet God is the creator of everything. He/she is everything. In this universe and beyond, throughout all dimensions. Does God need to be worshipped? I think not .

All religions box God in, trying to teach its followers who God is and what God wants. God is bigger than any one religion. God is bigger than Christianity. There is nothing wrong in pigeonhole God according to the bible. God in hes/her infinite love and wisdom forgives understnads where your belief comes from, and how your ego/mind makes you think the way you do.

What God wants more than anything is for you to use the Godlike powers bestowed upon you, such as free will. Whether you use this to believe in him/her is irrelevant. God loves you anyway. This is what unconditional love is all about. We never lose the grace of God. We cannot lose the Grace of God, because we are God. If we were to lose God's Grace, God would lose Grace in him/herself. And this is not how God operates.

The real question is whether your belief makes you joyful or not. Does it make you joyful to worry about sinning and hell? I suggest that for most people, living in fear is painful. Living in fear is to create a hellish reality, how hellish it is depends on how strongly you believe in it.

PD - I don't call myself a Christian, yet I am a bit annoyed still with the comments about Christian's being 'losers'.. i think nobody KNOWS the complete 100%, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

And as long as nobody forces it down someone else's throat then i'm happy for anyone to believe whatever they want...

Go Jesper!

It's so great to see you back posting......

Originally Posted by chris1983

And as long as nobody forces it down someone else's throat then i'm happy for anyone to believe whatever they want...

Chris 1983 I am with you. Unfortunately of late it does seem to be getting 'forced' more around here than ever before......

Originally Posted by chris1983

PD - I don't call myself a Christian, yet I am a bit annoyed still with the comments about Christian's being 'losers'.. i think nobody KNOWS the complete 100%, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

And as long as nobody forces it down someone else's throat then i'm happy for anyone to believe whatever they want...

Chris I am not sure what you mean by losers. Yes I am a Christian and that is something I will not deny. Being a Christian can be annoying for a lot of folks because Christians claim their religion is the only one that leads to salvation. This may sound selfish but guess what: a lot of things are selfish. My wife is my wife, my kids are my kids, my car is my car, my wage is my wage. When I choose to buy a shirt I am in a sense discriminating against another shop by buying from one place and not another.

I think the issue here is when you subscribe to political corectness something which I refuse to be a part of. Political corectness says we are all the same, we cannot say anything that offends anyone. In a sense political corectness is the new form of moral dictatorship.

You are annoyed because my belief is different from yours. So? You have your belief I have mine. Why should this annoy you? This is where tolerance comes in. But I guess tolerance according to some only applies as long as the other party has the same thoughts as you do.

And one empty charge that I never get is this : "Don't force your beliefs down my throat". WOW. How inspiring... But how can this be? On a forum people expose beliefs, thoughts, ideas etc. Otherwise let's just have a set of rules: you can only post as long as... And let's make these rules as narrow as possible so that we all post one and the same thing.

Here's my LAST post on this thread. You guys have a right to believe in whatever you want. My intention was never to mock your beliefs or ideas. After all, you are all entitled to believe in whatever you want and that is your choice.

I do have to take my hat off to one SM member. This guy has thick skin and I appreciated him for that. He just doesn't seem to get offended easily. Just so you don't think I am lying I must remind you I am a Christian and I believe all liars go to hell so therefore I will not lie. One person especially great for debating (despite our differences) is none other than BrickTop.

Lots of great dudes here at SM but the stand out one for me is BrickTop. I guess you will see me on other non offensive threads but this is my LAST post.

Enjoy diversity of opinion and peace to all. PD

I was referring to your post...
"Hmm...all these Christian losers....Always trying to do the right thing, going to church and reading their Bibles, obeying the law building orphanages and hospitals...what a waste of time." Wasn't this your post?? Got me confused now.

I think that was a little harsh, i was not suggesting nobody can post their opinion, but i dont believe we should be calling each other or certain religions losers over it mate

Originally Posted by Beeman

personal opinion, nothing "happens" your dead. End of, no more you, no reincartion, no coming back as a dog, no looking down on people from above. Your dead thats it, game over.

Thats what i believe.