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personal opinion, nothing "happens" your dead. End of, no more you, no reincartion, no coming back as a dog, no looking down on people from above. Your dead thats it, game over.
personal opinion, nothing "happens" your dead. End of, no more you, no reincartion, no coming back as a dog, no looking down on people from above. Your dead thats it, game over.
Fair enough, however....Originally Posted by union
I don't believe those characteristics are necessarily instinctive behaviours. Much is learned behaviour.
As for how many religions? Lots, but if you look at 1: what defines a religion, and 2: the commonality that those religions have, you'd see that at the heart of them, there is much common ground.
I'd be interested in seeing if there actually was a religion that said abortion was "ok". Sanctity of life, I would suggest, would be at the heart of all religions.
Bullshit? Yes, much of what constitutes religion could be seen that way; but much of that is the fault of followers, not the core belief system.
Happihippo, thanks, I really enjoyed your answer, some really deep thought put into it.
We had a sports day with work last year (I work doing finance with the Navy) and a reasonably young guy (mid-40s) dropped dead. The PTIs performed CPR for 20 mins until the ambulance arrived. He was revived and back at work three weeks later. No memory....
Same as Kerry Packer...
I am a committed (progressive) Christian but do not believe in heaven or hell as literal places. These realms are beyond human understanding and are metaphorical at best. In fact, within Jewish tradition, the belief in an afterlife was very late in development (about 200 BC), with only Moses and Elijah previously granted such a priveledge. Thus, the idea of heaven and hell where all souls would go is a very late developing tradition.
My trouble with hell is that if I, as a human, can forgive those that hurt me, why would an all powerful God (who runs the universe) be so insulted by my minor wrongs that he cannot forgive me for what I have done? People who believe this actually reduce God to a sub-human state. My love is greater than his.
In regards to right and wrong, if all things come from God, then God is the full extent of right and wrong (hmmm...just like us). Really, the universe just is, and we attribute these descriptions to actions (which we need to do to maintain an sustainable society).
I didn't want this to become a religious debate...just for people to share what they believe happens when they die. But oh well...
Of course it was going to become a religious debate, what happens after death one of the main themes of religious dogma!
You have me interested, mate if its not too intrusive could you elaborate on what it means to be a 'committed progressive christian'? including exact beliefs, and worship habits.
cheers.
Hmm...all these Christian losers....Always trying to do the right thing, going to church and reading their Bibles, obeying the law building orphanages and hospitals...what a waste of time.
That loser Mother Theresa and all those missionaries that went to work for free as doctors in other countries. What a waste of lives. Boy they will get a surprise when they die and go to heaven and find Hitler there and PolPot and all those crooks, liars and murderers all will be in heaven because God forgives everybody. And also Jesus dying for nothing because God forgives everybody and everyone goes to heaven (including rapists, pedophiles, murderers, terrorists). Yeah, come to think of it it all makes sense: God tricked everyone by giving a clear set of rules to follow but He never intended for anyone to actually follow those rules because in the end everyone will spend eternity in the same place.
Actually this seems to me more like a lie of the devil, but then again, this is just my belief.
There is a very clear verse in the Bible that says the following: "If anyone strive for masteries, he is not crowned except he strife lawfully." Let me put this in modern day terms: you see if you play soccer and you score a goal with your hand it will not be allowed because it was AGAINST the rules. You can cry, you can say you deserve the goal and yet I doubt it will be allowed for the simple reason it was against the rules.
Yes, yes, yes: God is a very forgiving God and boy am I thankful for that. But in the words of Jesus and this seems to be the one verse almost everyone knows: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3;16)
However, if you read just two verses after this you will read the following: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3;18)
So it's up to you who you're going to choose to believe.
hahaha the bible talks in riddles....
hey i wonder what Neanderthals thought about death?
i wonder if they are all in heven? being murderers,pedophiles,rapists??
funny that isnt it? them being our ancestors.
I thought you're not into religious discussions. And yet you puzzle me with your second reply. So which one is it?
I don't think Rix said he was for or against religious discussions.
Rix are you saying that what constitutes wrong doing in this day and age was just day to day survival type of behaviour back in prehistoric times? And that if there is heaven and hell now, there would have been then? So if thats the case to send bad dudes to hell now would mean the goalposts for sin have changed?
I'm just giving you the Christian theory. This theory of evolution is NOT a biblical thing. It's a man's invention under the guise of so called science. Believe one (the Bible) or the other (the so called science) but not one in between. This neantherdall is not a biblical concept. This is the problem when you try and bring outside things into the Bible.
Now couldn't one day in biblical terms mean something else like millions and millions of years? Simple answer is NO. No because in the 10 commandments God gave the 4th commandment as in 6 days you shall work but on the 7th you should rest. Pretty simple wouldn't you say? This clearly refutes the theory of a day meaning the nonsense of millions of years.
@Rix: just adding to the religious discussion
But he did not create the sun(or light) until after he created the heaven and earth. So a day could have been a very long time. Or was it a 24hr period still?I'm just giving you the Christian theory. This theory of evolution is NOT a biblical thing. It's a man's invention under the guise of so called science. Believe one (the Bible) or the other (the so called science) but not one in between. This neantherdall is not a biblical concept. This is the problem when you try and bring outside things into the Bible.
Now couldn't one day in biblical terms mean something else like millions and millions of years? Simple answer is NO. No because in the 10 commandments God gave the 4th commandment as in 6 days you shall work but on the 7th you should rest. Pretty simple wouldn't you say? This clearly refutes the theory of a day meaning the nonsense of millions of years.
@Rix: just adding to the religious discussion
Could that mean when the bible says he created heaven and earth it could have been over millions/billions of years?
Along those lines PD where exactly did Darwin go wrong with his theory of evolution?
also what are the major flaws in radiometric dating, (and carbon dating) that would disprove its ability to put the earths age at billions of years.
The only thing that is between you and greatness is YOU believing you are not great.
Interesting subject.
I don't have many opportunities to post as I cannot access Size Matters from home.
I feel christians get confused when talking about heaven and hell. God created us (humans) in his/her image, yet christians tend to turn this around and create a God in our image. That is, a God that is angry, judgemental, righteous and condemning. In other words, christians project the inadequecies we have as humans onto God, in in the process making God human. But God is not human. We were created in God's image, not the other way around!
By being created in God's image we have God's powers. We have free will and we can create our own reality. We choose the reality we experience. If we choose to experience feelings such as anger, hatred, judgement etc. we will experience hell. If we choose to experience love, bliss, compassion and understanding we expeirence heaven. This has been true for past experiences, this current experience, and future experiences beyond this life. Hell is not a punishment, it is something we choose to create for ourselves. And we can ALWAYS 'unchoose' it! Even after this life.
God is the process of creation and life through love. God has created everything, as well as being the creation. God is unconditional love and loves his/her creation. All of it. Because everything is God. You, me, the flowers, the wind..... If God was to punish someone God punishes itself. But God cannot do this as God is unconditional love. To say anything else is to disempower God and make God smaller than he/her is. It is OK if this is your belief, but it is not the highest truth.
Mate, its been way too long. welcome back.
Jesper this is great.
I hadn't given this any thought/consideration before but it makes alot of sense to me.I feel christians get confused when talking about heaven and hell. God created us (humans) in his/her image, yet christians tend to turn this around and create a God in our image. That is, a God that is angry, judgemental, righteous and condemning. In other words, christians project the inadequecies we have as humans onto God, in in the process making God human. But God is not human. We were created in God's image, not the other way around!
Nicely said (as usual).By being created in God's image we have God's powers. We have free will and we can create our own reality. We choose the reality we experience. If we choose to experience feelings such as anger, hatred, judgement etc. we will experience hell. If we choose to experience love, bliss, compassion and understanding we expeirence heaven. This has been true for past experiences, this current experience, and future experiences beyond this life. Hell is not a punishment, it is something we choose to create for ourselves. And we can ALWAYS 'unchoose' it! Even after this life.
Its great to see you back Jesper. You and Elektra and Belmont are greatly missed here at SM. Im sure Im not just speaking for myself when i say that.
Hey Jesper. Good to see you mate. It's been a while. Great description of your belief. I am not sure what you base your beliefs on but it doesn't sound like Christian orthodoxy.
The way I look at it is the Christians have their own manual which tells them what's expected of them. It's called the Bible. So where I am coming from is simply from a Christian perspective. Anyone who wants to find out about Christianity just has to read the manual (B.I.B.L.E. - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth).
BTW Jesper, if you remember my friend Rory (the tall one) has now become a part time missionary and travels to some various countries around the world. Currently he's in India. He is a much bigger religious nut than I am. Well... I may be a nut but at least I am screwed on the right bolt.
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