i guess if u dont get a good nights sleep every nite for the year....u can expect not to grow much.
i am basically an insomnia sufferer. have been since i was 17. 5 years later and i still cannot sleep properly... EVER!
it does not matter what time of day it is. even if i am totally FATIGUED/TIRED i cant shut down!
probably why i went nowhere for so long???
Possibly. I've suffered from sleep apnea since my early teens and i'm sure there are times when it's impacted on my training, but you learn to deal with it and push on. Just recently i've started to look at options to correct the issue, even if only partially, it's becoming more of a problem now than it was when i first started training 6 years ago - need more sleep in my old age :DOriginally Posted by rjono
Cheers....
haha shame. true u are old. atleast compared to us young fellas ;)
half a valium each nite fix it all up eh.
Shame, please keep us posted when you have evaluated the options available. This is a very common complaint and one we are all interested in.
BTW: have you tried GABA?
Any muscle relaxant will make Sleep Apnoea worse...
OSA or obstructive sleep apnoea occurs when we have blockage in the throat. Alcohol worsens this, along with other sedatives.
When we fall asleep, our muscles relax, then when in REM sleep, we produce this substance that makes our whole body as limp, and just the diaphram goes up and down making us breath. We produce this stuff that relaxes us so we don't act out our dreams (REM behaviour).
So sometimes a snore in sleep, can become obstructions when we move into REM sleep, this is REM related OSA. Other more severe people can have OSA in all sleep stages.
In summary, people with insomnia will get some short term relief from sedatives. But people with Sleep Apnoea its a big no-no. Operations don't work unless its large tonsills causing the blockage and/or several nose breaks and limited flow.
If anyone wants more info on sleep, then pm me or we can start a new topic, don't wanna hijack this one too much...
/me been working in sleep disorders for 7 or 8yrs now
No probs, will do.
Yep, currently take GABA. Gives me some crazy dreams.
Cheers....
I'm a very loud, heavy snorer. Have been since a toddler. My daughter is the same, it worries me she'll end up with the same condition.
Had a CT scan on the sinuses last week. Hoping that there may be some resolution there. I know there are ops on the throat/mouth pallette etc but i've made them my last options.
Good call.
Cheers....
The only thing that is between you and greatness is YOU believing you are not great.
Some excellent info here from a western medicine perspective :).
Insomnia can also be viewed from an eastern medicine perspective (such as Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and acupuncture etc.). Where western medicine is more geared towards fixing the symptom, TCM is more interested in the cause of the problem. The hypothesis is that thoughts and attitudes are behind ALL illnesses and problems. I strongly support this hypothesis, and have successfully treated many with insomnia (without using drugs at all!).
Shame, feel free to PM me form more info if interested :).
but none of that really explains the reason why ur mind cant shut down ;)
the problem i have is my mind is stilling racing even when im tired or tring to relax. i can lay there for 2 hrs before i even get a hint at proper sleep.
i cant rememeber the last time i had a dream...??? seriously.
The only thing that is between you and greatness is YOU believing you are not great.
Oh yes it does :). Eastern medicine would find the reason WHY your mind is overactive and racing.but none of that really explains the reason why ur mind cant shut down
your probably right jesper.
the 40 hrs week job (which is full paced and overloaded)
add another 10 hrs a week of night time university degree study.
:( ........... friggen hell.
I have had this problem my whole life as well, I am a thinker by nature. I am positive my circadium rhythum has been destroyed. I used to be in the navy and when at sea we would work 4hours on 8 hours off. I could never sleep at the correct time, chasing thoughts of being back home instead of stuck at sea, and I found my circadium rhythum moved 180 degress about. I was always tired during the day and awake at night. Now I work night shift for a newspaper company and falling asleep in the early hours of the morning is difficult for me.
Much the same as rjono stated, my mind races with inconsequential thoughts of the past/ things I need to be doing during the week. I have tried every thing from valium, herbal product and even alcohol. The most most effective thing I found is reading. Initially I read my weekly set readings for Uni which only made things worse, since it was mostly heavy theory. Now I read things that are a little lighter and allow my mind to be freed from the daily grind. Also I found if you go to bed with issues, for example, I had a falling out with my wife, I didn't finish my essay or I to need to put in more effort with work, sleep is far away. I have found if you have fufilled your expections of yourself that falling asleep becomes easier.
This is probably common sense to most, however I felt like sharing.
Cheers
Dutchy
I agree with this, however rather than trying to "closed out" all of your issues before going to bed, i suggest learning to let go of these issues once its bedtime.
This may sound like wishfull thinking, but meditation can be immensly helpful with this. Practice and patience is a must though :)
The only thing that is between you and greatness is YOU believing you are not great.
Meditation truly is a life saver :). What kind of meditation do you practise DAVA?
I'm at the very beginning of my journey with meditation. I got interested by searching for a sustainable way to manage stress in my life. I believe this can only come from the mind (and not from long-term use of drugs) so meditation was an obvoius choice for me. So far i've attended a few Buddhism classes and read a few books...
One book is on Zen meditation and practice: "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" by Shunryu Suzuki.
Another trully inspirational book is on Buddhist meditation and the journey to enlightenment is "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpoche.
As mentioned in my previous post, patience is a must. Unfortunately not much in modern society teaches us this valuable life tool these days so I found meditation very difficult initially. While its still not easy i am starting to get alot more out of it as i keep practicing. As i said, i'm at the very beginning... :)
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