Thread: jelousy.

hey guys.
jesper i thought there was a thread discussing jelousy but i cant find it! anyway i find im a pretty jelous person and i hate it so much. not about others peoples physiques or anything but only about when freinds that are girls constantly talk to other guys and stuff like that. i hate it and is there any way to rid yourself of jelousy? im over it.

Zoo there was a thread a while back by a member saying something along the lines of jealousy. I could understand where this person was coming from based on my own self and insight but i do know that Jesper posted some related wisdom that might help you. Ill see if can find it for you. Otherwise im sure Jesper wouldn't mind reposting.

I found it. Ill pm you the link and maybe you could quote the Jesper stuff back into this thread.

I'll wait for the essay from elektra or Jesper ;-)

Zoo - it's in the Spirituality Matters forum, fair way down the list.

Jealousy

thanks guys:) i will beat jelousy! woo somehow

Originally Posted by Jesper

I used to be a very jealous person in the past about a lot of things. It was often triggered when I compared myself to others and found my experiences lacking in comparison. Very unpleasant and very destructive for all involved!

The root cause of jealousy is insecurity, about who you really are, and about what you are really here to do. It comes from your sub-consciousness, through karma, created from experiences in either this life or past lives. The stronger the feeling is, the more likely it is they come from past life experiences.

These energies are very deeply embedded and hard to get rid of. We cannot 'rationalise' away jealousy by simply telling ourselves 'we should not be jealous'. In other words, 'reasoning' does not solve the issue.

I am now going to delve into this a bit deeper and give a spiritual explanation of how it works. Karma is stored in something called the akashic records. These records store everything we have done in all lives we have had. They also store our divine truth, or what our unique gifts are, what mastery we are here to attain, and what our purpose in this life is.

The people with the gifts of reading and clearing the karma and akashic records are called 'record keepers'. I am one of those people.

wood-duck, if you PM me the suburb and state you live in I will try to recommend someone you can see to clear this :). You will not only be able to clear this, but also be given the purpose of this life, and your gifts and mastery.

Once you understand this, and it fully resonates with you (which it will once some of this karma has been cleared), you will fully understand your own uniqueness and divinity. That your journey is just as magnificent and rich in experiences as anyone else's. Because it has led you to this point in life, this very present moment, where you can now make the choice of how you want to live your future life.

It is a bit like the Matrix, do you want to take the red or the blue pill :). One will take you back to your old life, the other will reveal a greater truth. Having a couple of these record-keeper sessions I am talking about will reveal this greater truth. You are ready for it. You have been guided to look at this, otherwise you would not have posted what you did. So let me help you find someone that can help you :).

PS. And please forgive me if I get a bit personal in my replies. I write from hy heart instead from my head, that is why it is coming out a bit differently :).

Originally Posted by Jesper

Jealousy is normal, but it is not natural. Our natural state is to love and to be compassionate to each other :).

Originally Posted by Jesper

But jealousy doesn't feel good, does it? It really is a destructive energy in the body. So why hang on to it, if there are ways if resolving it?


It takes control of your life the second you experience it:). The question is more how much control you allow it to take.

Jealousy disempowers you. It makes you say and do things that are not in the highest for you or for those around you. It prevents you from being who you were meant to be and to see your own higher truth.

We hang on to jealousy and justify its existance because we are afraid of looking at ourselves and to question our beliefs. Other people are jealous, people in the past have been jealous, so it is OK if I am jealous too. So we make it 'normal'.

There is nothing wrong with making it normal at all. We all have free will to make choices. Regardless of what these choices are. But one thing I always ask people when I provide spiritual cuidance is: 'do the choices you make in your life serve you? do they make you happy'?

I am yet to meet someone that says jealousy makes then happy :).

Originally Posted by Jesper

Hi Union, can I trouble you to share the feelings you feel are necessary for us to have, even if they do not make us happy?

Originally Posted by Jesper

Thanks Union. I will provide a different perspective to this. By doing this I am in no way negating your belief structure; every belief we have is right for us in this very present moment. I will simply outline how this may look like from a different belief structure. None of these belief structures are 'better or worse' than the other :).

The advanced spiritual concepts I will describe may seem like complete 'fantasy thinking' to some; yet others may resonate with aspects of it. To live your life according to what I am about to describe requires a number of massive personal transformations. I am not in any way trying to convince anyone that what I describe is right. Because I am not right. I am only describing my own personal truth. And there is nothing right or wrong with any level of spiritual evolvement; just like anything else in life, it is simply a matter of choice :).

As humans we have two basic feelings available to us, love or fear.

Anger comes from judgement of others, and what we feel or think they should be doing. When they don't conform we react. Anger takes many forms, such as irritation and righteousness.

We judge because we want to control others, we have an opinion of how they should behave, how they should dress, what they should say, what they should do etc. We fear loss of this control, because to lose it we need to go very deep inside of ourselves and confront the experiences that have made us react like this.

Try to speak to everyone from a position of love rather than anger, and you will be surprised what happens! Approach life from a position of love rather than anger and you will be surprised what you attract. The laws of creation states that if you approach a situation with anger, that is what you will create; an angry situation.

I can speak with a lot of authority here, because I used to be a very angry and righteous person in the past. Just look at the posts I used to write on this forum a few years ago and you will see what I man :).

Jealousy we have already discussed, and I just want to add that it arises from you not having clarity of who you really are, and what you are here to do. If you did know this there is nothing to be jealous of. Jealousy comes from fear of looking at yourself, deeply and compassionately.

Union, you talk about using jealousy to do more for you wife. Why not do more for you wife out of love, pure unconditional love?

And sure, you can use jealousy as a way to drive ambition. But why not drive ambition from love, from what you love doing? Why not be inspired by other people rather than jealous of them?

Sadness and grief often come from our fear of death, like the grief we feel when someone close to us dies. This is one of the hardest transformations of all, to fully accept death and view death as just another transformation in life. Easy to talk about, much harder to embody and live your life by.

To conquer fear of death we must embrace the truth of eternal oneness. I experienced this fully when my father died a few years ago, where I fully opened my heart and accepted the joy that his soul chose a new experience.

This is what I teach in my spiritual programs, to help people look at things differently. Not in a 'better' way, but in a way that brings more joy and happiness.

To live a life out of fear is always painful. How painful is sometimes revealed first after we have experienced love.

There is no need to feel fear in life, unless you choose to. There is no need to balance love with fear, anger, sadness or jealousy, unless you choose to. It is your choice :).

thanks jesper i am starting to see where it all comes from.

Brother, I am an expert on jealousy .

Every time you experience something other than love you meet yourself. What you don't like is, in fact, aspects of yourself. We can only see 'faults' in others that we ourselves carry. People around us are mirrors to ourselves. When we see in someone something we dislike, it is something unresolved within ourselves. When we see something we like in others, it is something we like about ourselves. Put simply; everything we feel about others is what we feel about ourselves. We see a constant reflection of ourselves in the people around us.

I could write quite a lot here (thank you Raaqi for pointing out my essay writing habits ) but I am going to cut to the chase and simply state that jealousy is about needing some kind of exclusivity, or ownership, of someone.

Turning this around, what is within you that you don't own? What is this part within you that can only be satisfied of 'owning' someone else? This is your self-enquiry brother.

My suggestion is that you become an 'observer' to yourself. Next time you are in situation that triggers you, take a step back, make the choice of becoming an observer to yourself, and look objectively at what is happening. What exactly are you feeling? Go deep. Breath the jealousy into your body, your whole body, become consumed by it, and deeply feel into it. Don't judge it, LOVE IT! Honour it and yourself. Become friends with it. Feel it in every cell of your body. And thank it for being in your life. And as you do this, feel into where it comes from. Trust your intuition here. Whatever it is that comes up. You may recall events from your child hood, you may have strange recollections of other lives, it does not matter. Accept it, and love! Practise this everytime you get triggered.

We cannot 'solve' problems of jealousy by running away, or pretending it does not exist. Because it does. It exists because you create it and make it real. The key understanding here is about your role as the creator in your life. You can create anything. Just as you can create jealousy, you can also create the opposite, which is love. This the answer to everything in life which we don't like. Stop creating it and create love instead. This is what you will do by going through the process in the paragraph above.

When you start loving your jealousy, you begin to love a new aspect of yourself. It is loving this new aspect of yourself that will set you free! All self-development is about acceptance of yourself. Loving yourself, all of you, all aspects of you, by understanding deeply that nothing is right or wrong, and that there is no part of you that deserves to be loved any less.

This is liberation from fear brother! This is what will allow you to fully step into the world as a self-realised man, ready to understand your higher purpose, and blessing the world with the charisma that comes from this deep understanding about yourself.

Trust me when I say this works!

this is interesting!

ive been talking to a friend that teaches philosophy at RMIT, and were discussing the limbic (spell) system and it makes me wonder does this system play a role in jealousy

Yes that is another interesting debate, how many of our responses are programmed at birth, and how many are programmed later in life.

Programmed responses sit in our sub-consciousness and are not easy to access, hence things such as jealousy is hard to change. The advice I provided in my earlier post is about bringing things from the sub-conscious into the conscious mind. This is one of the unique gifts we have as humans .

And programmed responses at birth that are emotional in nature are often karma. But now we are digressing .

thanks alot jesper you have shined the light for me to this and for some reason knowing the information you have told me i feel alot more assertive in everything i do. its hard to explain but i thank you so much.

Thank you brother. And please remember that assertiveness (or what I call a man's presence) deepens the more you can love any of your feelings. In particularly those you really don't like. Like jealousy.

nicely done jesper :P