Thread: Low testosterone

Well the blood tests will be interesting, I agree that it also does work.

[QUOTE=take2;321624]if it was me?

Not sure of the amount of test in testogel, but the 5% cream I use is brilliant. There is a 7% cream available from the same pharmacy.


Hey take2 is this 5% cream you use(d) the Lawley pharmacy one?

[QUOTE=peshay;333009]

Originally Posted by take2

if it was me?

Not sure of the amount of test in testogel, but the 5% cream I use is brilliant. There is a 7% cream available from the same pharmacy.


Hey take2 is this 5% cream you use(d) the Lawley pharmacy one?

No intro pehay??

Testogel is a 5g sachet (50mg T)

[QUOTE=peshay;333009]

Originally Posted by take2

if it was me?

Not sure of the amount of test in testogel, but the 5% cream I use is brilliant. There is a 7% cream available from the same pharmacy.


Hey take2 is this 5% cream you use(d) the Lawley pharmacy one?

No, but if it's in an almond cream base, then it's similar. I use a compounding pharmacy in northern NSW.

As for the 7% cream? Too much, as a general rule, for HRT.

[QUOTE=Andypoo;333021]

Originally Posted by peshay

No intro pehay??

Testogel is a 5g sachet (50mg T)

Yep, equivalent to 5% cream

[QUOTE=Andypoo;333021]

Originally Posted by peshay

No intro pehay??

Testogel is a 5g sachet (50mg T)

Sorry guys new to SM, I'm an Australian currently commencing TRT because of low test levels associated with a poor pituitary gland and or previous finasteride use. Still finding my way with TRT but currently not happy with my Sydney endo who I saw yesterday - the following is my experience with who I believe to be an inept "specialist" in the hope that someone can suggest a better doctor .

I've been seeing a Sydney endo for the last 8 months and finally after repeatedly low Total Test levels for the last two months he has had me on Adroderm 2.5mg patches ( one a day). Like that was going to do bugger all and that's apart from the fact that the batch is a bitch to wear.

Prior to starting patch TT levels where consistently in the low 7's after being on the patch for two months the TT levels came back as 2.7!!

I should point out that I did stop wearing the patch for two days on the chance that the patch might have actually lifted my test levels to a point where the endo says - we'll just leave it at 2.5 a day. Now some of you might say that I shouldn't be messing with the doc's head but there was no way i was going to continue wearing the patch if it had taken my test levels to 9 or 10.

I expected my levels after stopping patch for a couple of days to revert back to my previous natural levels ( around 7) but clearly as little a 2.5mg of exogenous test has suppressed my natural levels.

He was mystified why my levels had dropped and I explained that adding external test had suppressed my natutral test, his response - no that doesn't happen you only suppress natural test production if you take "steroids" - this guy calls himself a specialist.

I said to him I suspect I'm going to need regular IM test enthanate injections at the very least every week preferable every 3.5 days to keep my test at signifigant stable levels so as not to cause ther hormonal imbalances.

He said no no at the very worst I'll give you a reandron (1000) injection every 3 months. Now I admit I know little about reandron but I'd be sceptical to believe that one injection a month would keep me at stable test levels over that period.

Anyway he's compromised taken me off the patch and put me on 5mg daily testogel for the next two months. I'll give this a go but know it's not going to get me into the upper normal test levels that I desire/deserve from good TRT.

The reason for posting this here is an impassioned plea for someone to pm me a decent/ KNOWLEDGABLE doc /endo anywhere in Australia. Thnaks for any assistance in this matter or opinions.

yea i had much the same thing i started feeling worse off my one patch a day (although i've got the 5mg patch) so i stopped taking them after 3 weeks.

readron should be done every 12 weeks at the very least 8 weeks is preferable though.

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

yea i had much the same thing i started feeling worse off my one patch a day (although i've got the 5mg patch) so i stopped taking them after 3 weeks.

readron should be done every 12 weeks at the very least 8 weeks is preferable though.

If you make it too short, you'll have a crossover peak. My understanding was 10 weeks was the optimum dosing.

Fwiw: I think they are potentially more trouble than their worth. Same with the gels/patches.

I think my view on all this is clear.

@ peshya
see my earlier post

http://www.sizematters.com.au/ask-bo...tml#post329631

for some info on trt IM vs cream blood levels

I have been put on reandron (had injection on thursday) and am going to be getting micronised arimidex (needs to be ordered from Sydney for whatever reason).

I appear to be aromatasing severely - I weighed 75kg this morning compared to 73kg on thursday morning - so can't wait for the arimidex.

Hey Sim

Whats micronised arimidex as opposed to arimidex. What dosage / period you plan to use this for?

How often do you / your doc plan to pin Reandron ?

Originally Posted by peshay

Hey Sim

Whats micronised arimidex as opposed to arimidex. What dosage / period you plan to use this for?

How often do you / your doc plan to pin Reandron ?

Reandron is 10 weeks.

Micronised is transdermal arimidex. I was not pleased with this suggestion (merely because testogel was relatively ineffective) but he said micronised arimidex was considerably cheaper (in retrospect i think he inflated the price of oral arimidex) and would be effective.

I have no ideal re: dosage (I don't have the prescription on me - its sent to Sydney) but his goal E is 20-30.

From what I have read I would have preferred Aromasin

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

Some studies on lowering E increasing T

Originally Posted by AndrewWard

Yeah its strange as... Am getting around 65-75g fat a day.

Most of my fat comes from Sardines and Almonds.

These are high in omega3s.

You MUST get your cholesterol to reasonable levels, cholesterol is the start of the hormonal cascade & if its low then Test must be low.

Your diet could be low in saturated fats, try beef/chicken, bacon/pork, coconut oil. If you are eating lots of veges or psyllium (metamucil) this will reduce cholesterol too.

Originally Posted by Sim882

As I have mentioned, my T only increased to 9.2 and I didn't feel that much better, until I started applying to my scrotum, head and jaw.

The reason apparently you can get such a massive kick at the start is b/c its basically a domapine hit if your body has been starved of T for long (and in addition, your natty production soon shuts down).

There is a negative feedback loop applying Test so getting levels OK is tricky. 9.2 is far too low at any rate.

Scrotal application is rumoured to increase DHT.

Tests was used as an antidepressant even before tricyclic antidepressants. There are lots of other things that can give you a kick of neurotransmitters too (eg amphetamine).