Thread: Wms!

If you’re after an incredible pump and an ingredient that is the ultimate specialist in super fast glycogen delivery, then your one stop BOMB is spelt like this: WMS! (Waxy Maize Starch).

WMS is the immediate and 1st PWO anabolic drink I have before the 2nd PWO anabolic & anti-catabolic drink. Both are downed within 45 minutes after a brutal workout. The first drink is gone within 10 minutes after ingestion. Shower and come back for your second hit with WPI/Oatmass mix.

Add some creatine to this powerhouse then stand back and marvel at the phenomenal transformation your muscles go through in front of your very eyes.

I won’t be producing any studies or links to some super hyped up internet site or article to deliver my message to you here. Everything I’m saying here is based on my own experience with these two dynamites.

My recipe was made up of the following:

500ml water
40g WMS
2.5g creatine
Add flavour and sweetener as your taste buds dectate. Enjoy!


Fadi.

Fadi - I have been awaiting some posts from you regarding the hotly debated post workout insulin spike.

So I take it you are a firm believer of it - and use WMS as your product for invoking the insulin spike?

Originally Posted by cmjk

Fadi - I have been awaiting some posts from you regarding the hotly debated post workout insulin spike.

So I take it you are a firm believer of it - and use WMS as your product for invoking the insulin spike?

Ok CMJK (what's your name by the way?), here's a sample of one of my "diets" which I have on another forum. I'll bring it over here soon, but I thought I'd just give you the sample of a pre/during, and after workout supplements/foods.

"Diet" #1: A 2200 CALORIE FOOD PLAN

Before/During Workout Energy Drink: 6g WPI, 40g Oatmass, 400ml water
Or--------------------------------------------6g WPI, 25g WMS, 400ml water
Or--------------------------------------------45g 1 ½ thin slice white bread, 5g WPI, water
Or------------------------------------------- 125g White potato boiled, 5g WPI, water

On rest days, substitute the above high GI foods with a mid/low GI one. Example:
125g sweet potato Or, 1small banana Or, 2 slices Multigrain bread (56g) Or, 30g (raw weight) basmati rice. The protein remains the same (this type is just great for the immune system).

Protein Carb Fat Cal
6g 24g 1g 130

Immediately PWO Anabolic Drink: 10g WPI, 65g Oatmass, 500ml water
Or----------------------------------------15g WPI, 50g WMS, 500ml water
Or----------------------------------------225g White boiled potato, 12g WPI
Or---------------------------------------- 90g 3 slices white bread, 10g WPI, water

550g Rockmelon, edible portion (YUMMY!) Or, 220g sweet potato, still YUMMY! And both are extremely high in beta carotene. The protein remains the same.

Protein Carb Fat Cal
15g 45g 1g 250


Fadi.

Fadi thank you very much for responding to my question.

I guess my query is not so much how to induce the insulin spike or by what method (however it is very beneficial to have such clear recipe guides like you have provided!) - more so the reasoning behind these suggested insulin drinks pre/post workout.

In another thread of yours you mention you will discuss varying hormones and Insulin being one of those. So excuse me if I am jumping the gun and you are preparing some other information on it.

Fadi,
Going off those numbers it seems like your protein numbers are quite low around workout times. Any reason for that?

Originally Posted by scottie2301

Fadi,
Going off those numbers it seems like your protein numbers are quite low around workout times. Any reason for that?

hes most likely taking advantage of the amino acids in the wpi for recovery and to stop catabolism,

Originally Posted by cmjk

Fadi thank you very much for responding to my question.

I guess my query is not so much how to induce the insulin spike or by what method (however it is very beneficial to have such clear recipe guides like you have provided!) - more so the reasoning behind these suggested insulin drinks pre/post workout.

In another thread of yours you mention you will discuss varying hormones and Insulin being one of those. So excuse me if I am jumping the gun and you are preparing some other information on it.

Thanks for the question cmjk,

Very briefly the reasoning behind an insulin spike at these times is because we’ve got a heavy weight bull that needs to be dealt with. A heavyweight needs another heavyweight to stand head to head with; the bull is none other than cortisol and the toppling contender is none other than insulin himself. I can not think of any other hormone that is more anabolic than insulin.

Yes, the ketogenic diet proponent will tell you how bad it is for fat and the rest of it. I say why not tell us something we don’t already know please. This is old new. The news that insulin has a double edged sword has been known for donkey’s years. Now I’m here to tell you that it’s all in the timing and therefore in the manipulation of this super mighty hormone that is a muscle glycogen and protein sparer, a nutrient deliverer, a cortisol antagonist and more. Why in the world would I not want to take advantage of triggering a release of this Beauty whilst insuring its Beast behaviour I’ve hot fully under my control. After all, who’s Boss around here? I am; not insulin. Insulin is but my slave and works according to my wishes like a genie in a bottle.

I ask each and every one here on this forum: if you could control your body’s testosterone the way you could insulin, would you not do it?! Only an insane person would miss such an opportunity to do so. So I ask you again, why aren’t you befriending insulin rather than looking at it sideways.

Sorry cmjk, hat was supposed to be a two word answer, but it seems that I’ve just been appointed a defense counsel for Mr. Insulin.

I think you’ve got the idea.


Fadi.

Originally Posted by minotaur

hes most likely taking advantage of the amino acids in the wpi for recovery and to stop catabolism,

What Minotaur has said plus I always like to maintain a ratio of about 4:1 of carb to protein around these times. The reason behind this is that whey protein or protein, helps with the stabilisation of blood sugar and therfore insulin itself. That's absalutely great BUT NOT when I'm busy with carrying out my stratigic attack on cortisol. I need all the help I can get with nothing standing in my way to acheive optimum results.

So can you see how protein is great when you have it outside the training zone? It stabilises your blood insulin which places the BEASTside of insulin under control: your control and mine.

Ladies and gentlemen of this forum; guess and hope are two words that I try my hardest to never use in my bodybuilding vocabulary. There should never be a case of: "I hope I feel better tomorrow in training because tonight was just a..., and : " I guess my energy levels could be better..."

Again, I'll leave it here before I start writing another thread in a form of an answer. Thank you for your question Scottie.


Fadi.

I'd never heard of WMS until this thread. After a little searching I found this....

How Does WMS Assist Bodybuilders?

WMS is pulled through the gut so fast that it acts like a 'pump', drawing water and other nutrients through with it. By mixing your amino acids, creatine, and other supplements with WMS you can increase their speed and level of absorption. Many bodybuilders report that they can feel muscles becoming fuller shortly after consuming WMS with amino acids.

WMS is primarily used Post-Workout as an energy replenishment carb. During exercise your body depletes glycogen, or energy stores. To minimise recovery time and maximize muscle growth it is vital to replenish glycogen stores as quickly as possible so your body is no longer in a depleted, catabolic state. Using WMS Post-Workout is currently the fastest way of doing this.

Source

What is better for Prework out and Postwork out OatMass or WMS or do they both work differently?

Can you mix WPC with OatMass or WMS or is it better to mix BCAA or EAA for PreWork out and PostWork out?

Waxy Maize Starch is for post workout. Mix in your aminos, creatine and drink it, then have a shake about 20 minutes later.

I just bought a 500g tub from a local health shop a couple of hours ago for $18.50

Originally Posted by Rajah

Waxy Maize Starch is for post workout. Mix in your aminos, creatine and drink it, then have a shake about 20 minutes later.

I just bought a 500g tub from a local health shop a couple of hours ago for $18.50

I thought WMS and OatMass would work the same and you could use either one for PreWork Out and PostWork out.

So WPC with oatmass or WMS is not as good as BCAA or EAA.

So you brought 500g of WMS or oatmass for $18.50 thats heaps expensive as you can buy it much cheaper than that from these guys.

oatmass
Bulk Nutrients

Originally Posted by 23spiro

What is better for Prework out and Postwork out OatMass or WMS or do they both work differently?

Can you mix WPC with OatMass or WMS or is it better to mix BCAA or EAA for PreWork out and PostWork out?

They are interchangeable, both a great source of a fast digesting, fast acting HI GI Carb source, perfect for Pre & PWO for energy, recovery and to assist in protien/aminos/nutrient uptake.

MD

Waxy Maize Starch.

If I like it then I know where to buy it in bulk for the future.

Originally Posted by mikasadan

They are interchangeable, both a great source of a fast digesting, fast acting HI GI Carb source, perfect for Pre & PWO for energy, recovery and to assist in protien/aminos/nutrient uptake.

MD

So they both work the same way is that right?

Can you add WPC instead of BCAA or EAA?